I will try to clear things up a bit for you. Here is a simply chronological order of events and how I do not benefit:

-Jay sends me a ton of $$ on Carbon Poker when P2P transfers were about to go down because I had Moneybookers and could cash out easier.

-I am owed $190,000 from P1

-Jay got a wire sent to Doug and allotted $50,000 of that wire for me, Doug agreed.

-Jay says take $50,000 off our balance and I will collect the $ from Doug, I agreed.

-I am now owed $140,000 on Poker One.

If Doug pays Jay, I do not get that $50,000. If Doug splits the wire balance according to balances on P1, I am going to give my share to Jay because he is entitled to it IMO.

Altho I probably will never take money from a site I was involved in a business transaction that mirrors this.

Since that site owed funds to lots of people, all of the remaining money should have been distributed on a pro rata share to all of the creditors according to the amounts owed.

Once the friendly assistant sent funds from that pool of money to any special recipient before everyone was paid, my guess is that distribution was essentially fraudulent, like taking money from the vault of a failing bank and letting the rest of the creditors be cheated.

My next guess is that WCGRider was of the opinion that if he disbursed that money, he could be considered party to the potential 'fraud' and could be legally liable. None of the other agreements or understandings would have any weight.

So he handed to his lawyer to figure it out.

Pretty sure my share of the wire was very close to what my balance÷all of P1 balances was.

No argument there or any implication.

If I can draw on my own experience for a comment, it is that 'special payments', however correct they are mathematically are seen to be wrong.

A similar ruling cost me about XXXk out of my own funds.

If Doug doesn't pay Jay, do you still owe him the $50,000:

No I would not owe Jay $50k. After we both agreed to the balance transfers it was Jays responsibility to collect the $$ from Doug.

What was your total balance with Jay and how was this debt incurred?

I am not sure exact numbers but I believe it was just above 100k. I didn't need to borrow the $ for anything, I was doing him a favor. When merge was disabling P2P transfers he had a lot of $ on Carbon Poker because that was his skin of choice and he made a lot playing there. With me being from Canada I could cash out the $ a lot easier for him via moneybookers so he sent me some of his balance.

Edit: I am not from Canada, but I have a condo there that my accounts are set up under.

Is the money that Doug is allegedly holding affiliate commission money? Or poker winnings?

I played and I was an affiliate, so it's tough to tell exactly. I deff won way more playing overall though in comparison to how much I made as an affiliate.

Meaning you got payed your affiliate balance at the same rate of what other players potentially get of their player balance if the wire were to be distributed among all players. Seems fair nor ethical to make affiliate $ for leading players to a scam and then get the same % of those earnings as players you got to play there of their balance.

The day I couldn't facilitate transfers on P1 to my players is the same day I cashed out every single player playing under me with my own $.

Completely Unrelated.....Yo Blewjob- gonna be in SoFla end of August? ( we played 3 or 4 HU PLO sessions on a dif site and chatted bout the game there with Raj , Eric, etc) If so, I'll buy the drinks. ( even though you're prob 15 buy-ins up on me.)

Did you tell this to the HSNL players you recruited? I would be incredibly suspicious if someone told me this story. Did you see proof PokerOne had these funds? We're to believe that PokerOne had the money but was somehow unable to do a wire transfer to the network, but could get the money to winning HSNL players? Much more likely explanation is that PokerOne didn't have the funds.

If you were lying about being an owner you're only making yourself look worse by ignoring the question. At this point I'm assuming you were the owner or at least part owner and as such you were aware of that PokerOne didn't have player funds. If I were Doug I wouldn't give money to the suspected owner of a skin that owed money to players.

Don't use the traveling and no internet excuse, it's the on-line version of the dog ate my homework. No one believes you. Internet is nearly ubiquitous. I've been to places that lack paved roads and barely had running water. Without fail, if they have electricity there was internet.

Maybe the dog ate his internet?

I'm not 100% sure yet. If I do go I will send you a PM!

Blewjob are you as tilted as everyone else by the way Jay has handled this thread? Have you put any pressure on him to get in here and actually answer some questions?

He couldn't put any pressure on him even if he wanted to as Jay doesn't have access to any communication for more then a week by now.

Jay is either an idiot or very desperate for money. There was a 99%+ chance that ppl knowing what he did were gonna question his actions. Still he puts up a thread himself, to disappear with a lame excuse when the obvious happens.

I'm not frustrated at all. I have no financial gain or loss whatever way this gets resolved. He's not answering questions and I know both sides of the story well so figured I would.

If OP used his good reputation to get players to play on this site by telling them he was owner shouldn't he also be responsible for these players bankrolls?

This poker one was offered to the degens on wagerabc sportsbook. Wagerabc Agents were given nice incentives to get their players to play poker on poker one

Good question, hopefully Jay will get internet access again soon so he can address this.

Almost 3 weeks without internet now, man what a trip! Can't wait to hear what the South Pole is like.

Jay gave up on this thread

Jay must be brazilian.

can someone that knows him personally confirm he isn't dead