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JJ facing 4-bet shove vs BTN JJ facing 4-bet shove vs BTN

11-20-2021 , 06:44 PM
PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $0.01/$0.02 - 6 players
Hand delivered by Upswing Poker

UTG: $1.47 (74 bb)
MP: $2.63 (132 bb)
CO: $2.27 (114 bb)
BU: $6.81 (341 bb)
SB (Hero): $3.49 (175 bb)
BB: $2.26 (113 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.03) Hero is SB with J J
UTG calls $0.02, 2 players fold, BTN raises to $0.15, Hero 3-bets to $0.40, 2 players fold, BTN 4-bets to $6.81 (all-in), SB (Hero) folds

Total pot: $0.84 (Rake: $0)
BU wins $0.84

Easy fold at 175bb eff?

If we were at 100bb eff what do you think? still a fold? I did think his original RFI sizing was suspect, I think many players do this type of sizing with AK type hands but I had not reads here.

not sure if I'm doing the math correctly but if V shoves and we need to call 155bb to win a pot of 183.5bb we are getting just over 1:1, meaning we need like 45% or something? if we give him JJ+AK we have 36% so then fold?

if it was 100bb eff we would need to call 80bb to win a total pot of 128.5bb or

we need to call 80 and final pot will be 208.5, 80/208.5= 38%, which would make it closer versus a range of JJ+,AK since we have about 36.5%. Interestingly if we add AQs to villains range it changes we would be getting about 38.38%. I don't think he would shove AQ at our stack depth though without reads.

Last edited by Donkeybets; 11-20-2021 at 06:57 PM.
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11-20-2021 , 08:33 PM
oooh, I finally get a chance to break out the GTOWizard 200bb preflop ranges. I'm super curious what they say. Im not studied at all deep, so it'll be interesting. My clueless instinct is that JJ will be a pure fold here.

Fair warning that the sizings are a bit off compared to your hand, but it should give you an idea (I had to use UTG open as opposed to limp).

Interestingly, it is only likes to actually cold 4bet 4% of the time. Then vs a jam it pure folds, but vs a 5bet it pure calls. Though in these ranges BTN doesnt do much 5bet jamming.

Interesting spot.







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11-21-2021 , 08:14 PM
yeah fold for 175, call for 100. our 3b range should be very strong facing a 7.5x readless. idk whats going on in the charts above me
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