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08-28-2010 , 08:27 AM

HU101

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No Limit Holdem Tournament
FullTiltPoker
2 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
Hero (1,540)
BB (1,460)

Blinds: 10/20

Pre-Flop: (30, 2 players) Hero is BTN J

Hero raises to 60, BB raises to 180, Hero calls 120

Flop: 10

(360, 2 players)
BB bets 360, Hero calls 360

Turn: 6

(1,080, 2 players)
BB bets 920, Hero ?

22 hands into the match, villian has a 3bet of 0% and my sb open is 70%. Villian seemed straight forward and fit or fold post flop.

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08-28-2010 , 08:43 AM

SchweigenDerLamer

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I would 4bet pre anyway. You can't assume after 22 hands that he has a extremly tight. 70 percent of 11 opens are 8 opens so if you take that straightforward he 3bets 1 out of 8 times which means a range of 12%. Even a against a very tight range of 5% {99+, ATs+, KQs} you are slightly better than a coinflip.

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08-28-2010 , 08:43 AM

Yasawa

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After just 22 hands you cant be so sure about villains range to play JJ that cautiously. JJ is just to strong.

I would 4bet pre. Either shove it right there or make it 550 and shove flop.

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08-28-2010 , 08:46 AM

Andres_A

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yeah, as said, don`t be afraid of monsters - there are only 3 better hands out there.

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08-28-2010 , 09:24 AM

wabomushroom

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Originally Posted by Andres_A

yeah, as said, don`t be afraid of monsters - there are only 3 better hands out there.

this +1

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08-28-2010 , 09:35 AM

tman755

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Fail math and fold pre.

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08-28-2010 , 09:42 AM

KarlizL

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ship the cheese preflop

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08-28-2010 , 09:54 AM

surGeonFFS

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LOL. Wtf is wrong with the ppl in this thread, Fold preflop obv. Villain has 0 % 3bet ovre 22 hands that means that he cant be 3betting even AA yet he is. it's a paradox and he is doing 3bet illusion. =)

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08-28-2010 , 09:58 AM

JSpazz

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lol, you slowplay pre, you slowplay flop and now you wanna fold. this is ******ed

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08-28-2010 , 10:06 AM

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KarlizL

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Originally Posted by surGeonFFS

please don't level in strategy forum, some beginners might take this seriously, ktnx

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08-28-2010 , 10:51 AM

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Ronin Talken

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I don't mind flatting pre, but not if you plan on folding here.
Remember that a 3b% really only becomes mildly accurate until a very large sample size. Granted, if he has a 22% over 100 opens, you probably have an idea that it's a loose range, but 0/22 means next to nothing.

You have to remember that, even though villain showed up with QQ+ here, you are mega premium. If you want to get it in good every time, you're going to be a losing player. You have to be willing to get it in with EQUITY against his range. As long as you do that, it doesn't matter if you get it in good.

I would prefer to 4bet in a HU SnG though, as you can make costly mistakes postflop.

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08-28-2010 , 11:42 AM

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rumnchess

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Shove pre...then shove the flop as played

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08-28-2010 , 11:45 AM

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Andres_A

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Originally Posted by Ronin Talken

I would prefer to 4bet in a HU SnG though, as you can make costly mistakes postflop.

so can others imo

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08-28-2010 , 02:18 PM

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BetMagicMoney

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Originally Posted by surGeonFFS

I agree, the fact that he hasn't 3bet means that he's never going to, this is an easy fold.........

On a seriouse note!

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Originally Posted by rumnchess

Shove pre...then shove the flop as played

^^^^This

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08-28-2010 , 02:48 PM

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Jekus

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Originally Posted by JSpazz

lol, you slowplay pre, you slowplay flop and now you wanna fold. this is ******ed

+1

u r underrepping your hand so much

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08-28-2010 , 02:53 PM

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Howdoiplayxx

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call to see turn, if no spade or A/K/Q get it in

or fold pre if you dont want a ****ing 10 high flop with JJ........

:-D

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