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JJ on button raise utg flat pre JJ on button raise utg flat pre

07-11-2014 , 05:08 PM
Villain won at showdown is 2/4 50%
should i have flat pre ?fold turn? river ?

PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 137.2 BB
SB: 138.8 BB (VPIP: 15.66, PFR: 10.84, 3Bet Preflop: 5.88, Hands: 83)
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 11.22, PFR: 6.96, 3Bet Preflop: 0.50, Hands: 523)
UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 12.05, PFR: 7.83, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 167)
UTG+1: 110.2 BB (VPIP: 25.86, PFR: 20.69, 3Bet Preflop: 8.00, Hands: 59)
UTG+2: 114.7 BB (VPIP: 16.71, PFR: 14.07, 3Bet Preflop: 3.43, Hands: 2,800)
MP: 156.6 BB (VPIP: 23.53, PFR: 11.76, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 18)
MP+1: 134.9 BB (VPIP: 10.53, PFR: 8.42, 3Bet Preflop: 1.45, Hands: 193)
CO: 124.8 BB (VPIP: 7.61, PFR: 1.09, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 94)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J J

fold, UTG+1 raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 9 BB, fold, fold, UTG+1 raises to 22 BB, Hero calls 13 BB

Flop: (45.5 BB, 2 players) T 4 Q
UTG+1 bets 22 BB, Hero calls 22 BB

Turn: (89.5 BB, 2 players) 5
UTG+1 bets 66.2 BB and is all-in, [b]Hero?

Last edited by kingspoofer; 07-11-2014 at 05:09 PM. Reason: update
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07-11-2014 , 05:17 PM
flat preflop, they is no need to inflat the pot v's an EP open, it just gets us into difficult spots postflop if called because the majority of his range will be broadway cards, some pocket pairs and some decent suited connectors, where they are either going to fold to cbets or continue with better hands then us or hands that can possibly take the pot away from us.

as played flop in a fold, flatting the flop bet only commits us to the pot, and villain isnt going to be double barrel shoving without having us beat or hands like AKhh, AKdd which sucks having to fade a million outs

Last edited by CRP90; 07-11-2014 at 05:25 PM.
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07-11-2014 , 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by CRP90
flat preflop, they is no need to inflat the pot v's an EP open, it just gets us into difficult spots postflop if called because the majority of his range will be broadway cards, some pocket pairs and some decent suited connectors.
calling shove ?

Last edited by kingspoofer; 07-11-2014 at 05:40 PM. Reason: update
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07-11-2014 , 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by kingspoofer
calling shove ? his check on flop strange no?
he didnt check the flop. He cbet 55% which looks rather std in this spot to set up a 70% pot shove the turn.
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07-12-2014 , 04:06 PM
hero called as he won at showdown was 50% 2/4

PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 137.2 BB
SB: 138.8 BB (VPIP: 15.66, PFR: 10.84, 3Bet Preflop: 5.88, Hands: 83)
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 11.22, PFR: 6.96, 3Bet Preflop: 0.50, Hands: 523)
UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 12.05, PFR: 7.83, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 167)
UTG+1: 110.2 BB (VPIP: 25.86, PFR: 20.69, 3Bet Preflop: 8.00, Hands: 59)
UTG+2: 114.7 BB (VPIP: 16.71, PFR: 14.07, 3Bet Preflop: 3.43, Hands: 2,800)
MP: 156.6 BB (VPIP: 23.53, PFR: 11.76, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 18)
MP+1: 134.9 BB (VPIP: 10.53, PFR: 8.42, 3Bet Preflop: 1.45, Hands: 193)
CO: 124.8 BB (VPIP: 7.61, PFR: 1.09, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 94)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J J

fold, UTG+1 raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 9 BB, fold, fold, UTG+1 raises to 22 BB, Hero calls 13 BB

Flop: (45.5 BB, 2 players) T 4 Q
UTG+1 bets 22 BB, Hero calls 22 BB

Turn: (89.5 BB, 2 players) 5
UTG+1 bets 66.2 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 66.2 BB

River: (221.9 BB, 2 players) 2

UTG+1 shows K A (High Card, Ace) (Pre 43%, Flop 29%, Turn 18%)
Hero shows J J (One Pair, Jacks) (Pre 57%, Flop 71%, Turn 82%)
Hero wins 211.9 BB
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07-12-2014 , 05:01 PM
Pre is pretty terrible, even vs that laggy guy.

As played def. fold turn. Don't know if we could fold flop here, but you shouldn't get into that spot in the first place so whatever...
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07-12-2014 , 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by qwertz1
Pre is pretty terrible, even vs that laggy guy.

As played def. fold turn. Don't know if we could fold flop here, but you shouldn't get into that spot in the first place so whatever...
agree dont know what I was at . The reason i 3 bet was on his notes it said 3 bet range ak and 104s on his notes so he cable of 3 betting light .. but should called pre called flop folded turn
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07-13-2014 , 07:15 AM
why would his 3bet range have any influence in your decision to 3bet? anything to add you have 59 hands as your sample id suggest not relying on seeing him 3bet 1 time with T4s to note that he is capable of 3betting light until you get more information on how he actually plays.
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07-13-2014 , 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by CRP90
why would his 3bet range have any influence in your decision to 3bet? anything to add you have 59 hands as your sample id suggest not relying on seeing him 3bet 1 time with T4s to note that he is capable of 3betting light until you get more information on how he actually plays.
When I looked at his win at showdown stat and it said 2/4 50% would you bet Allin on the river with aa in villians shoes ?after I called all streets surely you check a street with aa. Agreed its A losing play long term. Against unknow . Line should of been flat pre . Call flop and fold turn to more aggression . Is it just too weak folding to one bet on flop ? 90% of people will cbet at micros ..
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07-13-2014 , 07:40 AM
his won at showdown % means the amount of times he has won the pot and its only 4 time he has got there so I wouldn't even bother looking at it. if I was villain id play AA/KK the exact same way
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07-13-2014 , 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by CRP90
his won at showdown % means the amount of times he has won the pot and its only 4 time he has got there so I wouldn't even bother looking at it. if I was villain id play AA/KK the exact same way
Thanks for your input .

So it's bet bet bet till you get raised ? Bet/fold all streets with this type board ?

When I flat preflop and on a board like this it's my default plan with one over card on flop is to call the c bet see what he's does on the turn ?
You say fold flop ? As stated I think all micros cbet a lot being original raisers .
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07-13-2014 , 08:25 AM
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Thanks for your input
your welcome

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So it's bet bet bet till you get raised ? Bet/fold all streets with this type board ?
No, your decisions should be based upon, how your opponent/s play and how the hand has played out so far, what the board texture is, how strong is my hand v's their range, what do I plan for future streets, why am choosing this option.

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When I flat preflop and on a board like this it's my default plan with one over card on flop is to call the c bet see what he's does on the turn ?
see above answer

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As stated I think all micros cbet a lot being original raisers
I disagree, majority of people in mircos play rather straight forward which is what you should focus on also, get a solid understanding the game, learn and improve
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