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Its time to end the shortstacking in MSNL on Stars Its time to end the shortstacking in MSNL on Stars

06-12-2008 , 06:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by peyote
It's not easy to filter for those hands but like imsa said, I remember many hands where I wrote something like "now u like shorties?" in the chat after a reg stacked a fish because of me being shorty.


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NL Holdem $4(BB) Replayer Game#xxx

SB ($537.40)
BB ($449.90)
UTG ($1,255)
UTG+1 ($429)
Hero ($77)
BTN ($1,149)

Dealt to Hero KK

fold, fold, Hero raises to $12, call, SB raises to $50, fold, Hero raises to $77, call, call,

FLOP ($235) 262

SB bets $154, BTN raises to $1,072, SB calls $306.40,

TURN ($1,155) 262T



RIVER ($1,155) 262T3



Hero shows KK
(Flop 8.7%, Turn 4.8%)

BTN shows 85
(Flop 5.8%, Turn 0.0%)

SB shows AA
(Flop 85.5%, Turn 95.2%)

SB wins $1,152

Can't. Stop. Laughing.

Please please give up your shortstacking ways and play fullstacked.
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06-12-2008 , 06:31 PM
Yeah, but if I has more BBs I would 4-bet and that ****** wouldnt call preflop. How often has SB now to raise with suited connectors and fold to my shove preflop to make it -EV for him being at my table?
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06-12-2008 , 06:34 PM
This fish would have called anyways...
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06-12-2008 , 06:37 PM
I'm not happy with this thread. I think its an outrageous assault on online poker democracy by an elite group of players who are displaying shocking contempt and lack of respect for those who play the game differently to themselves.

Pokerstars allow shortstacking because it caters for a particular poker demographic. Who are you to deny them the opportunity to shortstack if they so wish?
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06-12-2008 , 06:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by pokypoky
I'm not happy with this thread. I think its an outrageous assault on online poker democracy by an elite group of players who are displaying shocking contempt and lack of respect for those who play the game differently to themselves.

Pokerstars allow shortstacking because it caters for a particular poker demographic. Who are you to deny them the opportunity to shortstack if they so wish?
Are you ******ed? We're not stopping them from shortstacking we're just choosing to avoid the choochoo idiots.

Lol 'online poker democracy'
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06-12-2008 , 06:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by pokypoky
I'm not happy with this thread. I think its an outrageous assault on online poker democracy by an elite group of players who are displaying shocking contempt and lack of respect for those who play the game differently to themselves.

Pokerstars allow shortstacking because it caters for a particular poker demographic. Who are you to deny them the opportunity to shortstack if they so wish?
+1.

Poker is way bigger than this little group of whining bitches. Short stackers were at the tables before u guys were even born, gfy… literally, then go whine about it in another thread ftw

edit: and i hate shortstackers just as much as the next guy, but i also respect them because i understand they are just trying to push an edge like the rest of us
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06-12-2008 , 06:53 PM
And now we are pushing the edge further by only playing at tables where they can't ss.
Its very NICE!
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06-12-2008 , 07:05 PM
Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $4(BB) Replayer Game#xxx

SB ($420.30)
Hero ($80)
UTG ($399.50)
UTG+1 ($397.60)
CO ($1,151)
BTN ($733.05)

Dealt to Hero TT

call, call, fold, BTN raises to $33, fold, Hero raises to $80, call, fold, BTN raises to $733.05, call,

FLOP ($885) 877



TURN ($885) 8773



RIVER ($885) 87739



BTN shows AK
(Flop 20.2%, Turn 11.9%)

Hero shows TT
(Flop 68.9%, Turn 81.0%)

UTG shows JA
(Flop 11.0%, Turn 7.1%)

BTN wins $639
Hero wins $243


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Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $4(BB) Replayer Game#xxx

SB ($503.80)
BB ($399)
UTG ($349.60)
Hero ($73)
CO ($854.90)
BTN ($411.70)

Dealt to Hero AK

call, call, fold, BTN raises to $22, fold, fold, call, Hero raises to $73, call, call,

FLOP ($225) 64Q

check, BTN bets $165, UTG calls $165,

TURN ($555) 64Q7

check, BTN bets $120, UTG calls $111.60,

RIVER ($778.20) 64Q72



BTN shows A6
(Flop 89.3%, Turn 100.0%)

UTG shows 3K
(Flop 2.5%, Turn 0.0%)

Hero shows AK
(Flop 8.2%, Turn 0.0%)

BTN wins $775.20
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06-12-2008 , 07:14 PM
How about this:
I raise AK, ss push, passive fish behind folds KT.

I know how to build pots, I don't need a ss doing that for me.

It's a stupid dicussion anyways, it is what it is.
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06-12-2008 , 07:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryanb9
+1.

Poker is way bigger than this little group of whining bitches. Ratholers were at the tables before u guys were even born, gfy… literally, then go whine about it in another thread ftw

edit: and i hate ratholers just as much as the next guy, but i also respect them because i understand they are just trying to push an edge like the rest of us
how do you find respect for ratholers? i thought they were commonly characterized as the scum of the earth and rightfully so.
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06-12-2008 , 07:17 PM
lol judging by your hands these donks would have stacked themselves regardless of you being in the pot or not.
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06-12-2008 , 07:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryanb9
Short stackers were at the tables before u guys were even born, gfy…
ahahahhahahahahha

ahahahhahahahahhahahaahahha


Do you really think people were running around on their baller computers with the brand-new 5 MHz 8086 processor calculating push/fold ranges for shortstacking NL games right around when Super System was written? You're ****ing stupid.
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06-12-2008 , 07:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ScoobyDooo
how do you find respect for ratholers? i thought they were commonly characterized as the scum of the earth and rightfully so.
Poker is about looking into a man's eyes and figuring out his cards, not some douchebag sitting behind his comp wearing shades so as not to reveal any tell,shoving 20bb and leaving.

Die. SS'ers. This would be frowned upon in any live game, it's only acceptable online because everyone is anonomous, people have no shame.

I'm certainley not against shortstackers, but I'm against ratholers which is the key issue here - taking money off the table and breaking games.
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06-12-2008 , 07:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TalentedTom
some douchebag sitting behind his comp wearing shades so as not to reveal any tell,shoving 20bb and leaving.
meh

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06-12-2008 , 07:44 PM
really, i think the short stacker argument comes down to this.

if you did this + ratholing in a live high stakes game, you'd be liable to get killed at the worst.

at the best, you would not be welcome at the game and every measure would be taken to make sure you can not sit.


also, on a more on topic note, im pretty surprised but i think the 50bb table only maneuver really is effective.

the 3/6 6m games are running at like 70% 50bb tables when I've been playing and the shortstackers def. aren't getting the same volume there that they used to (i think?)

the unfortunate thing is, the 50bb tables seem to run a lot slower, my hands/hr has been like cut 40%.
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06-12-2008 , 07:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DCal Zone
I don't think you're a scumbag because you're a ratholer.

You are a scumbag because you multi-account.

You are also a scumbag because you use a bot.

These are facts. You are free to deny these facts (which you haven't because they are true), but that would make you a liar.

You can keep trying to turn the tables on me if you want, but the facts remain the same: you are a piece of crap with low moral standards. I am just a messenger.
Dcal, NOT reporting this is pretty high up on the scum list IMO.
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06-12-2008 , 07:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DCal Zone
the unfortunate thing is, the 50bb tables seem to run a lot slower, my hands/hr has been like cut 40%.
join or open up some more 50bb tables

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06-12-2008 , 07:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryanb9
+1.

Poker is way bigger than this little group of whining bitches. Short stackers were at the tables before u guys were even born, gfy… literally, then go whine about it in another thread ftw

edit: and i hate shortstackers just as much as the next guy, but i also respect them because i understand they are just trying to push an edge like the rest of us
Maybe I'll start slowrolling people. It must be + tilt ev right????


But we're not doing anything wrong. We're just all going to play 50bb tables and start more of those tables.
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06-12-2008 , 07:57 PM
lol reef it says quoting dcal zone but its quoting me,

are you accusing me of multi accounting?

conspiracy!!!!!!!
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06-12-2008 , 07:57 PM
i just dont get how slowrolling would tilt people. it only tilts me when im running insanly bad, then it basicly adds salt to the wounds. but otherwhise i laugh about.
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06-12-2008 , 07:58 PM
the appallingly poor logic displayed by the shortdonk sympathizers is amazing
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06-12-2008 , 08:00 PM
if osama bin laden played poker, I'm pretty sure that he'd be a ratholer.

they hate our freedoms!
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06-12-2008 , 08:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by terp
the appallingly poor logic displayed by the shortdonk sympathizers is to be expected, a knowledge of poker beyond a hand ranking chart makes it quite obvious how truly dumb they really are
fyp
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06-12-2008 , 08:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by pokypoky
I'm not happy with this thread. I think its an outrageous assault on online poker democracy by an elite group of players who are displaying shocking contempt and lack of respect for those who play the game differently to themselves.

Pokerstars allow shortstacking because it caters for a particular poker demographic. Who are you to deny them the opportunity to shortstack if they so wish?
back to lurking plz.
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06-12-2008 , 08:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RollinHand
meh

i LOL'd
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