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10-04-2015 , 08:57 PM
PokerStars - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $5.44 (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
SB: $2.71 (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
BB: $5.00 (VPIP: 5.88, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 18)
UTG: $12.05 (VPIP: 23.80, PFR: 11.93, 3Bet Preflop: 0.69, Hands: 362)
MP: $4.81 (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 12.70, 3Bet Preflop: 4.76, Hands: 67)
Hero (CO): $12.15

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has 4 A

UTG raises to $0.10, fold, Hero raises to $0.40, fold, fold, fold, UTG calls $0.30

Flop: ($0.87, 2 players) K 5 3
UTG checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($0.87, 2 players) 7
UTG bets $0.41, Hero raises to $1.00, UTG calls $0.59

River: ($2.87, 2 players) 2
UTG checks, Hero bets $1.60, UTG raises to $4.21, fold,

This guy raises positional like this: 25/17/14/10/5 and folds 81% to 3bets
On the turn I'm semi-bluffing a double gutshot
On the river I was split between checking behind or betting, but I though there was some value still

I'm posting to see if you can find some mistakes for me in my line or in my reasoning in which I think is an interesting spot
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10-04-2015 , 09:03 PM
You should cbet flop still, can xback turn if he calls.
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10-04-2015 , 09:15 PM
If you raise turn raise bigger I mean you have position which is great but you still want him to fold and also build a pot to make riverbluffs/hits more profitable?
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10-04-2015 , 10:28 PM
I would cbet flop here to hopefully chase out pairs up to QQ. As played, turn raise gives diamond draws too good odds to call, I'm raising to $1.40-60 then bluffing non-diamond cards OTR when checked to.
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10-05-2015 , 01:04 AM
Cbet flop is standard. Raise bigger turn. River I guess you have to fold.
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10-05-2015 , 09:41 AM
Cbet flop.
Don't really see the point in raising the turn at all. You don't make many better hands fold here and your equity against his calling range sucks.
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10-05-2015 , 09:58 AM
fold pre

you should not have a raising range ott
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10-05-2015 , 11:19 AM
3 bet Axo = no
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10-05-2015 , 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by drakelol
3 bet Axo = no
Usually yes, but

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Originally Posted by Bihzar
This guy raises positional like this: 25/17/14/10/5 and folds 81% to 3bets
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10-05-2015 , 08:47 PM
Ok so my thought process was as follow:
According to his positional pfr, the 81% he's folding from is from UTG since in almost 400 hands he has been playing upside down, that is 25/17/14/10/5, 25 being UTG and 5 being SB (weird guy) so assuming he folds to 3bets, he doesn't do it from either CO, BN and SB as often as he does it from UTG.
Now when he calls my 3bet I'm putting him in a strong range and basically just giving up cause this guys tend to call all the way with something as JJ in these boards cause they don't play many hands and when they do get a "big" one they don't like folding it-
On the turn I pick up a double gutter and at the time I assumed I could try to semi-bluff all of his small pocket pairs and better A's, all the medium stuff that had me beat, which now I understand is a mistake cause it contradicts my first assumption.
On the river is just standard, I was actually thinking on checking behind but it's not a big deal.
I guess my biggest mistake is not paying attention to his general pfr, which I didn't and just his UTG pfr. And the turn raise of course cause I guess I really have 0 FE?
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10-05-2015 , 11:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Bihzar
Ok so my thought process was as follow:
According to his positional pfr, the 81% he's folding from is from UTG since in almost 400 hands he has been playing upside down, that is 25/17/14/10/5, 25 being UTG and 5 being SB (weird guy) so assuming he folds to 3bets, he doesn't do it from either CO, BN and SB as often as he does it from UTG.
Now when he calls my 3bet I'm putting him in a strong range and basically just giving up cause this guys tend to call all the way with something as JJ in these boards cause they don't play many hands and when they do get a "big" one they don't like folding it-
On the turn I pick up a double gutter and at the time I assumed I could try to semi-bluff all of his small pocket pairs and better A's, all the medium stuff that had me beat, which now I understand is a mistake cause it contradicts my first assumption.
On the river is just standard, I was actually thinking on checking behind but it's not a big deal.
I guess my biggest mistake is not paying attention to his general pfr, which I didn't and just his UTG pfr. And the turn raise of course cause I guess I really have 0 FE?
Thing is positional stats take a long time to converge. It's very unlikely that over a big sample he'll open wider from UTG than from on the BTN, and you'd need a couple of thousand hands to confirm something as weird as this. Here I would just go on what his overall PFR is. So for now assume he's one of these fish who just opens the same frequency from every position (not positionally aware).

I'm guessing if he's folding 81% to 3bets then over this sample he must have had 16 opportunities to fold to a 3bet and folded 13 of them. 13/16 fold to 3bet is good enough to give an indication that he's overfolding so I would definitely widen my 3bet bluff range but you don't want to go overboard.
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10-06-2015 , 12:37 AM
Thanks a lot that makes a lot of sense, I will definitely check the overall pfr and be guided by it next time I try something like this
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10-06-2015 , 12:58 AM
God knows what's going on with this guy's positional stats. I knew someone who said he preferred playing UTG because he said you don't get any respect on the button. Maybe you found that moron.

Raising turn doesn't make much sense. Think about what hands you check back the flop with and then think if any of them want to raise the turn. Pretty disciplined fold on the river and probably a good one given that no one seems to check/raise bluff rivers at micros.
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10-06-2015 , 02:12 AM
yes, the river is an easy fold, and yeah still not thinking about my range either way this hand was good to learn
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