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interesting hand NL25, double gutter+FD+Overcard, played it passiv interesting hand NL25, double gutter+FD+Overcard, played it passiv

07-06-2008 , 09:35 AM
I think this hand is quite interesting. here we go.

Sorry i did not find the hand history.
Its nl25 and villan and me have 50$ effective stacks.

game is 4 handed.

I raise utg A7 of diamonds to 0.85 , button calls and bb calls.

flop comes down 3d 4d 10h
BB checks, i bet 1.75 , BU raises to 5.55 BB folds, i call
I think i have to raise here right? but than i m almost commitet when he shoves and has a set, that s why i just called.

Turn is a non 5 of clubs giving me a double gutter,
i check(should i lead?) he fires a small bet of 8.5 into 13$ pot i call(god i have to c/r here all day?)

river is a non diamond 2. I donk 5$ into him and he shoves for 30 more. Pot is 80 dollars. Hero????

Alright on the flop i decided he had a set so i slowed down and tried to hit. I donked the river because i was certain that a set calls this amount and fold to a bigger bet.
So what should i do on the river with more than 2 to 1 odds here.
The table was a turbo table.i had only 10 seconds. that sucked^^.



Criticize my play please.

Last edited by BlackDespair; 07-06-2008 at 09:45 AM.
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07-06-2008 , 09:47 AM
I shove flop, you got some folding equity I think.

Turn either play is fine, little bit depending on table dynamics, although you probably won't get any action if another diamond hits.

River I call the shove, he has some Ax here I think. It's dumb to call a shove just to split, but his line doesn't look like 6x.
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07-06-2008 , 09:58 AM
When i m up against a set, i m postflop a 25% underdog and on the turn a 27% underdog. just for the info.

shove flop sounds stupid because he bets 5.55 and we are 50$ deep.
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07-06-2008 , 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by BlackDespair
When i m up against a set, i m postflop a 25% underdog and on the turn a 27% underdog. just for the info.

shove flop sounds stupid because he bets 5.55 and we are 50$ deep.
But you can't assume he has a set there, the 3bet is essentially to fold out hands like Tx,99,etc.
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07-06-2008 , 10:20 AM
Well you can't fold after you hit your outs. Your bet just made him go nuts and your hand is disguised. Your line is fine since you're deepish - for 100bbs effective I would shove the flop.
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07-06-2008 , 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Spurious
But you can't assume he has a set there, the 3bet is essentially to fold out hands like Tx,99,etc.
like hoooold said i m not willing to checkraise the flop because we are so deep.
I dont blame my flop and turn play i actualy think its thebest way when you are deepstacked.
The donk bet is still not too bad imo, but wtf is he raising with here? i havent seen to many aces and no 6 in his range. Valueshoving a set? i dont think so, because my bet looks pretty much like a straigh and sets will just call. i was confused!
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07-06-2008 , 02:16 PM
I fold PF and fold to the flop raise. Too nitty?
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07-06-2008 , 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by SkyFrostSalvo
I fold PF and fold to the flop raise. Too nitty?
Opening A7s utg isn't really optimal, so folding pf is good
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07-06-2008 , 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by BlackDespair

Alright on the flop i decided he had a set so i slowed down and tried to hit.
MUBS

So the only hand he plays this way is 33 44 or TT, not JT c/ring your overcards with the c-bet or 43s because it was pretty and now hit two pair? Against a reasonable range you have enough equity in this pot to get it in so do it. If the diamond had hit he might shut down, so you are paying to draw but not getting paid if/when you hit. You make money here by getting him to fold a hand that is ahead you on the flop while your equity is large enough to allow it.

As played, you hit one of the hands you were drawing to, call and reload if you lost.
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07-06-2008 , 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by SkyFrostSalvo
I fold PF and fold to the flop raise. Too nitty?
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Originally Posted by Nemesis69
Opening A7s utg isn't really optimal, so folding pf is good
Effectively CO, therefore standard open.
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07-06-2008 , 05:26 PM
open is fine imo, i would jam flop. as for your turn i think you should lead being oop. if we have any fold equity we should use it.
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