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Ignition 25NL: AQo OOP on J92tt Flop Ignition 25NL: AQo OOP on J92tt Flop

01-02-2021 , 01:51 AM
Villain is loose-passive pre (VPIP 44/PFR 11/3B 4) and aggro/bluffy post (AFq on flop is 56, turn 57, and river 40) after 55 hands.

I've seen solver output that calls for checking entire range and raising with stronger value hands and well-chosen bluffs, and calling with medium strength hands and bluff-catchers, the proportions depending on flop texture. I have been experimenting with this style in real games. (But the Ignition 25 doesn't play at equilibrium in general, and this clown certainly doesn't.)

Flop check/call seemed standard, especially against this villain. Villain's turn bet gave a good price to draw, figuring implied odds, even if we don't count the Td as a clean out. River donk is likely terribad, but I wanted money to go into the pot, and I thought betting polarized might induce a bluff-catch.


b]Ignition - $0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players[/b]
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 155.76 BB
SB: 182.28 BB
BB: 53.32 BB
Hero (UTG): 147.04 BB
CO: 41 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Q A

Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, BTN calls 3 BB, fold, fold

Flop: (7.4 BB, 2 players) 2 J 9
Hero checks, BTN bets 3.52 BB, Hero calls 3.52 BB

Turn: (14.44 BB, 2 players) K
Hero checks, BTN bets 4.48 BB, Hero calls 4.48 BB

River: (23.4 BB, 2 players) T
Hero bets 60 BB
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01-02-2021 , 02:43 AM
Why are you calling turn ?? If your going to check flop id fold instead of calling.
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01-02-2021 , 03:01 AM
Donk is awful
If he has a straight you can check raise him
He is not calling 3x pot with anything other than a straight
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01-02-2021 , 09:29 AM
welp I imagine it's reasonable if you use 2 sizes, AQ/Ax big, Qx/sets small
if you think he raises Qx when you block, just do that instead
you say he's spazzy, so prob block/jam makes more money
think we xf flop with no regrets even vs this guy
given your description, I'd look to x range flop and develop a very aggressive xr range but not using AK/AQ/AT w/o a diamond
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01-02-2021 , 09:56 AM
A few others have already chimed in regarding your river play, so I will point out that this particular combo of AQ functions better as a flop bet because without any backdoor flushdraws we benefit less from seeing a turn card and would prefer to end the hand now.

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01-02-2021 , 11:31 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Poker2021
Why are you calling turn ?? If your going to check flop id fold instead of calling.
Villain bet 1/3 pot and has 30x the bet in the effective stack. I only need to get 12x the bet out of them if I hit to break even on the call.
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01-02-2021 , 12:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AlanBostick
Villain bet 1/3 pot and has 30x the bet in the effective stack. I only need to get 12x the bet out of them if I hit to break even on the call.
Would you say that you do get 12x the bet out of them when you hit?
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01-02-2021 , 01:06 PM
I dont hate xf flop
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01-02-2021 , 01:44 PM
Either cbet flop or x fold flop/x raise flop. Don't think check call oop vs an agro villain is a good line. River donk Also I don't like since if he is agro he will bet?
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01-02-2021 , 06:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Piniiii
Either cbet flop or x fold flop/x raise flop. Don't think check call oop vs an agro villain is a good line. River donk Also I don't like since if he is agro he will bet?
As I said in the OP, I am basing my line on solver work that was shared with me showing that an OOP opener facing an IP flat-caller loses only a tiny amount of EV by checking their entire range to the flat-caller, and having a polarized check-raising range consisting of strong value hands and high-equity bluffs. If the IP villain were loose-passive postflop I would gain by deviating and leading out with my value hands; but against an aggro player I am motivated even more to check everything.

If we check-raise, we will likely fold out hands that we beat and get calls from hands that beat us, putting us in a bad spot on the turn unless we have prospects to improve. AQo has showdown value unimproved. I would much rather check-raise-bluff with a hand like KQ, KJ, or QJ suited in either diamonds or hearts. Even against a good player our baseline continuing range against a half-pot bet is going to be something like two thirds of our starting hands. Against this player we simply should not be folding showdownable hands.

We are not folding AQo here. It is nowhere near strong enough to check-raise for value, and it is not the right sort of hand to check-raise as a bluff. Therefore it is a check-call.
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01-02-2021 , 07:55 PM
flop is fine. i think x/r turn is worth considering, i mean yeah we have enough better candidates but balance doesn't matter much vs this guy. but i don't mind x/c. river is actually a tough spot, and aner0 and ionutd both make good points. if we could see he has a queen we would x/jam, whereas if he's likely to raise a blocksize donk with a Q then block/jam gets most value out of his overall non-air range. but the times he flats our block with a Q we'll feel sick. so overall it depends how often he has air and bluffs it when we x and how often he raises our block with a Q (or air ig) but i think block/jam is probably slightly better than x/jam, either of which is probably better than your play.
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