I should shove over this and not fold right?
I felt like it was a total guess other than I thought the $3 cbet was suspiciously large for someone who might have an ace x



That said, if I'm calling this 4bet pre, I can't be folding this flop, otherwise I shouldn't even call pre. Is that correct thinking?

Dunno about the thinking part of it but...

SB seems fishy (according to his starting stack size), so calling his cold 4bet w/ Ax is questionable... I know u have good odds pre but this line looks pretty strong from V.

It might be better to fold this pre...
Think u have to go with it when u spike the A and have backdoors...

Yeah I like your read, It's def awkward.
I think I was ahead...

Its a fold pre IMO.. ATs-AQs call AKs 5bet or call in some %s..

Well if your called the 4bet....No but seriously I mean no sense in compounding mistakes people do not check/fold nearly enough in 4bet pots as it is. remember ranges are extremly stong in 4bet pots do you really think he's nearly potting with KK or air. If you feel you are beat there's no sense in taking a poorly played hand pre and turning it into a poorly played hand on the flop. "I called the 4bet so I've gotta call since I gots a piece" isn't a winning thought process imo you made a mistake pre fix it on the flop as you did.

This is just advise facing your standard opponent if your opponent is capable of 4bet bluffing and betting like this with air it's an obvious call but it doesn't sound like you have any reads which can lead you to believe your opponent is bluffing therefore this is a good fold. IMO.

I think fold pre definitely and fold flop AP.

As B3ck says no sense in compounding mistake pre.

The fact that you spike TP and are still unsure shows you how bad calling pre is. Add to that V is short-stacked so our implied odds are worse for when we do make a hand we're confidently GII with. If V is bluff squeezing AQ/AJ this is then even worse.

Fold / 3-bet PF both seem fine.

I guess I fold to the min 4-bet PF but I don't think I've ever been in this spot before. Kinda curious as to what part of our range we're calling with.

I think suited aces are fine to flat button vs CO. Even vs the min 4b I don't think we have enough equity to call.

As played, SPR is 2 and you flopped top pair, get it in.

It's probably not awful but 3-betting is superior especially with the disconnected versions.

I can't imagine folding to the 4-bet and I'm going broke on this flop (though I'm not raising flop).

Its got to be close. I have A5s and A4s in my 3bet bluff range vs CO, I think if we start including A7s and other disconnected aces we might be bluffing too much. Without knowing how often CO folds to 3bets I don't really want to narrow his range or play a big pot with a hand I don't really love. I also don't really mind if BB tags along given how deep we are with him.

You are right though, we can't fold to the min 4bet. Even if its just KK+,AK he is laying us the right price.

Fold pre, when we're getting 4bet even with position we are usually pretty dominated here with A7s. I don't feel confident that we're going to outmanuver villain postflop against his 4bet range.

call, you basically call all your iso range (- the top 3-4%) pre. you need to call this (u also reduce a lot of his vb by having an ace). call Ax+ and you should be fine