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I would but should c/raise bluff this turn (?) BB 3bet BU - 20NL

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07-26-2020 , 07:36 PM

Ceres

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100BB deep, Hero is in BB with A

BU raises to 3 BB, fold, Hero raises to 9 BB, BU calls 6 BB

Flop: (20 BB) 4

Hero raises 9.5 BB, BU calls

Turn: (39 BB) K

Hero checks, BU raises 22 BB, Hero raises 82 BB and is all-in

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How do people feel about this line? I have loads of value here and can use at least some of my offsuit spade broadways with good blockers as c/raise bluffs, given we would do this a percentage of the time with our nuttish hands. I think

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07-26-2020 , 07:38 PM

Slysheeps

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Surely you have too many bluffs there? And do you actually have that much for value on that board? Aren’t you only repping an overpair?

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07-26-2020 , 07:39 PM

Slysheeps

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I’m struggling to go broke OOP at 20NL with AQ off. You don’t need that many bluffs there

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07-26-2020 , 08:27 PM

Ceres

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I have AA, KK, AK, KQs, 67s, some 88

Seems like enough to have a robust c/jamming range. Now, maybe a hand like A7 or A3 spades or hearts are our ideal bluff candidates, but I don't 3bet them very often if at all.

And when villain bets large on the turn they're really saying they have a slowplayed set they didn't raise on the flop, which makes no sense because it's a drawy board. IDK, seems like I can exploitatively bluff hard. We unblock weak heart draws that would take villain's line.

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07-26-2020 , 09:01 PM

TheDefiniteArticle

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please use the whole hand history

check flop at high frequency, it's very good for BTN, probably use a more creative size when you do bet

turn is spew without a read that villain is float bet/folding very often here, we can barrel sometimes but x/j is an overplay (indeed, x/j doesn't really make sense as a line on this turn card after flop goes b-c)

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07-26-2020 , 09:01 PM

80sTherapy

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That's just not necessary.

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07-26-2020 , 10:09 PM

Ceres

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Originally Posted by TheDefiniteArticle

please use the whole hand history

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I can't copy/paste from where I play, so it's handwritten only i'm afraid

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check flop at high frequency

Well villain has a nut advantage granted, but we have a higher concentration of overpairs. I think we bet for value here enough to range-bet. You've got me on the sizing because it's shitty software without hotkeys and I play with a gamepad - so if I'm range-betting I just 1/2 pot it. No way round this.

Why does c/jam make no sense? Wouldn't we want to protect our checking range with some value here?

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07-26-2020 , 10:16 PM

newguyhere

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You should be flatting 88, 55, and 44 in the BB vs a BTN open.

And 76s is a mix, so you're value range is heavily weighted towards overpairs.

Better bluffs would be A4ss or A7ss

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07-26-2020 , 11:23 PM

Grubz37

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Originally Posted by Ceres

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I can't copy/paste from where I play, so it's handwritten only i'm afraid

Well villain has a nut advantage granted, but we have a higher concentration of overpairs. I think we bet for value here enough to range-bet. You've got me on the sizing because it's shitty software without hotkeys and I play with a gamepad - so if I'm range-betting I just 1/2 pot it. No way round this.

Why does c/jam make no sense? Wouldn't we want to protect our checking range with some value here?

This is not a good flop to range bet. Having the nut disadvantage and being OOP are both working against you. I think you will find yourself in a ton of situations where you are either massively over bluffing turn or have to x/f turn b/c you cbet your whole range on the flop and have too much air.

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07-27-2020 , 05:50 AM

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ionutd

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flop is fine, not a range bet by any means but broadways with a spade are ok
you shouldn't be afraid to bet overpairs, tp+draw, mp/wp+draw
x/f turn
you have plenty of pair+gs/fd to bluff and if you want more, you got some weaker fds you x and don't really want to call

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07-27-2020 , 01:47 PM

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Ceres

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Alright thanks. Got away with this one but I agree now it's overplay.

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