But in this case 9T has more equity then AQ.
How are we going to be sure if villain has A2 or JJ?

Am I being leveled?

Hand 1: AcQh ~ 25%
Hand 2: JcJh ~ 75%
Board: 8s5d2s

Hand 1: 9cTh ~5%
Hand 2: JcJh ~95%
Board: 8s5d2s

So, once again: does AcQh = 9cTh (which is representative of air) here? Or are you guys both just ****ing ******s?

5*****

Seriously, raise pre. If you want to beat 2nl here's what you do: Play like a nit - flop top pair or better, value bet.

Replace JJ with A2, do another equity calculation.

Well, sure, because he has one of our overcards. What's your point? Say the board is 337 and neither our range nor the villain's range contains any 3s. 8c9s is air on this flop, but AcQh is not air. This is really not a difficult concept. AcQh has equity against overpairs that 8c9s doesn't. AcQh will win many more showdowns than 8c9s if we make it to showdown either by checking down or snapping off a bluff.

What's really going on here is that you guys are just now realizing that you didn't get what "air" meant until just now, and you're annoyed. Don't take it out on me, losers.

even tho it is funny like hell, im gonna stop here.

Yeah, it's funny that you can't just admit that you're wrong. But I'm going to stop now too, because I need to get some sleep and we're not getting anywhere anyway.

=(

For the record, I don't have anything against you guys. But you're wrong, and it's ****ing bull**** that I'm being ridiculed for pointing out that you have a misunderstanding. You need to man up and be able to say, "Yeah, you're right. I never thought of it that way."

I only started lashing out because there's just no need to abuse me for educating you.

ever consider c/f the flop?

On a side note, checking this flop negates the purpose of 3-betting AQs. You want to win the hands in which you both miss, not lose them. If you're going to c/fold if you miss the flop you should save yourself a few BBs by flatting pre.

but if villain is calling pre limp r/r with A2, i think we should bet.

Way to own yourself. Which hypothetical hand seems more plausible: A2 or JJ? Doesn't that make your A2 counter-example seem, I don't know, ******ed?

incubus -

you are a new poster, so dont take it personally when ppl call you idiots here. everyone calls everyone else ******ed all the time, its just how it goes.

AQs is a good hand and you should just come in raising with it. you dont really want to limp/reraise anything ever in 6max games.

in regards to being aggressive and stealing pots, these are good ideas but only against players who can fold and only when you credibly represent some strong holdings. if you dont have a read on a player, just assume they cant fold anything because of the micro stakes you are playing.

you dont beat calling stations by making big moves, you just play good hands and bet big when you connect with the flop. you should never really be making big moves against a player you don't have a read on.

in fact, you can beat 2nl at a healthy clip by never ever making any big bluffs. you need to be more focused on are getting your good hands paid off as much as possible.

I mean, jesus christ, give us AK instead of AQ. We are currently ahead of AQ, AJs, and KQs. He never has Ax pairing that flop given the preflop action. We are a 3:1 dog to JJ or QQ, which is about five times better than if we had 9T. You guys are being so stubborn and dense that it's ridiculous. Just admit that two high overcards != air.

it does make a difference though, if the villain is stacking off with Ax (with a pair), because then we only have 3 clean outs.

discipline i think everyone agrees that AQ has more equity against villains range than 93 here i dont even understand the argument

wtf? - how is this thread getting this long
lol @ AQ is air or not air, you guys bored?

Thread has potential.

lol & +1

i thought poker was supposed to be getting tougher, so why are we getting more of these threads?

I literally love this thread

LOL at all who don't understand the gr8 teachings of discipline

If somebody push from the SB for a stack and we are in the BB and we have
T9s or 72o:

T9s has more equity then 72o.

72o is air and T9s is not.

Yes discipline .... I totally got your point and agree with you...........................................

are you joking?

indeed, yes

What the hell is is this?

Damn this thread is so long! wtf
The discussion is what is air and what isnt?
omg lolzzzzz

OP just play ABC poker.