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I often wonder if I'm making unnecessary folds. I often wonder if I'm making unnecessary folds.

02-20-2014 , 01:19 PM



Last edited by Crypto; 02-20-2014 at 01:36 PM.
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02-20-2014 , 01:26 PM
Don't bet river with aj. Why blank your name? You are playing 4nl....
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02-20-2014 , 01:38 PM
1st hand, fold to flop XR, you have absolutely nothing.

2nd hand I think you're hand isn't good enough to 3 bet the flop vs a seemingly solid unknown.
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02-20-2014 , 02:19 PM
Didn't read txt but just looking at the screen shot and stakes of the AJ hand it's a must fold.
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02-20-2014 , 02:27 PM
I'd like to center the question at: allowing him take the initiative (calling) on the turn as opposed to 3betting.

His raise made no sense to me, considering I was already putting money in.

The turn bet makes no sense either, unless he's either trying to steal the pot or figures I won't put anymore money in. And if the latter is his concern, then he's over bet.

Either way, it doesn't make sense to me.

If I were holding strong in his position I'd have checked the turn in hopes of a bluff (4h looks like a brick to me) and my feelings are that he's not trying to build the pot on the turn - he's attempting to fold me.

I believe he got a little giddy with a bluff catcher, or a weak K because I called the flop raise; and that he would have folded to a 3bet.

Of course he could have set with kings as was willing to try anything to make them pay off big.

Hind sight and all that.

Any views?
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02-20-2014 , 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Crypto

His raise made no sense to me, considering I was already putting money in.
Why not? He doesn't know you're putting all the money in. Also you have nothing and he's a fish. This isn't how you beat fish. Also which hands are you talking about??? This is why you post 1 hand per thread or atleast format you're hands like everyone else.

1- Get a hand and bet/bet/bet
2- profit vs fish.
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02-20-2014 , 02:52 PM
"He doesn't know you're putting all the money in."
I was putting money in. I didn't say anything about putting all the money in.
He's a fish? How did you come to that conclusion and what do you consider a fish to be?
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02-20-2014 , 02:57 PM
^Misread the part about money putting in.

However why doesn't his raise make sense? That's the point of a raise. Raising someone's bet. Just because you put money in all of a sudden it doesn't make any sense?

His min-raise on the flop = likely fish (if we are talking about hand 1, which I thought we are).
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02-20-2014 , 03:41 PM
Yes, the first hand.

I consider a flop raise indicative of most likely being (1) a made hand to monster, (2) a hand with great potential (build the pot or fold opponents with standard size bets), or (3) a concerted effort to fold.

Pf: calls OP 2.5BB preflop.
Flop: Min CR (seems like a weak attempt to fold me.)
Turn: Bet Pot

Maybe he was holding strong and thought I would feel committed and strong enough to call a pot sized bet on the turn.

Any ideas as to what would take this line?
Pocket kings, AsTs, 99-QQ???

What if this were a high stakes pro making a training video about how to beat the micros?

If this were a $100 table, what could I expect him to be holding?

What I'm holding doesn't matter. It's his (the theoretical 'good player') actions I'm curious about.

I'm just throwing these two hands out there so others will give me ideas as to how their thought process works. If you're thinking at a higher levels than me I stand to gain something.
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02-20-2014 , 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Crypto

What I'm holding doesn't matter. It's his actions I'm curious about.

I'm just throwing these two hands out there so others will give me ideas as to how their thought process works. If you're thinking at a higher levels than me I stand to gain something.
Of course you're holding matters... This isn't high stakes nl.

It doesn't matter what hand he has. You have nothing so just fold,

You don't need to try and think at a high level at 4nl. It's not going to work anyway as most people are thinking about their own hands. His holding could be anything we don't know. It's more likely a value hand though.
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02-20-2014 , 04:08 PM
Thank you for your input, Yoshimiii.

To continue.
Most likely I'm giving my opponent a huge amount of credit he doesn't deserve.

Let's pretend I'm holding QQ and this is a $100 table. My opponent is a +15BB/100.

What would prompt him to take this line of action?

Pf: calls OP 2.5BB preflop.
Flop: Min CR a 2/3 pot bet
Turn: Bet Pot
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02-20-2014 , 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Crypto
Thank you for your input, Yoshimiii.

To continue.
Most likely I'm giving my opponent a huge amount of credit he doesn't deserve.

Let's pretend I'm holding QQ and this is a $100 table. My opponent is a +15BB/100.

What would prompt him to take this line of action?

Pf: calls OP 2.5BB preflop.
Flop: Min CR a 2/3 pot bet
Turn: Bet Pot
77, 88 (assume he'd 3bet KK readless), a FD or a OESD if he likes to play his draws aggressively. The 4h means that 56 got there so the pot bet might be for value, or he might be double barreling his draw again.

It's unlikely he'd take this like with QQ, JJ etc. Since a top pair hand probably isn't folding to a flop checkraise, but everything else is (so everything worse folds, everything better calls).

You really need to look at the guys aggression factor to figure this out though. If it's like 3 or 4, you can happily continue with top pair, knowing lots of draws are in his range. If it's 0.7, then fold, because you got setmined.
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02-20-2014 , 05:21 PM
If you use hand tracking software, you can check your River Call Efficiency stat. It will give you some idea if you are folding too much.

http://mpethypoker.com/poker-article...ency-explained
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02-20-2014 , 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Crypto
Thank you for your input, Yoshimiii.

To continue.
Most likely I'm giving my opponent a huge amount of credit he doesn't deserve.

Let's pretend I'm holding QQ and this is a $100 table. My opponent is a +15BB/100.

What would prompt him to take this line of action?

Pf: calls OP 2.5BB preflop.
Flop: Min CR a 2/3 pot bet
Turn: Bet Pot
I'd be lying if I said I knew. I don't play that high and 15BB/100 is incredibly high at 100$ table.

Sorry but I can't answer that. He's polarized between Kx+ and bluffs though obviously.
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