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01-22-2008 , 10:21 PM

TILT_LIKE_A_SEESAW

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Prima Network No-Limit Hold'em, $0.20 BB (6 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

UTG ($19.80)
MP ($9.80)
CO ($30.49)
Button ($24.58)
SB ($21.30)
Hero ($18.70)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K

, 5

. UTG posts a blind of $0.20.
UTG (poster) checks, 3 folds, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: ($0.60) 2

, K

(3 players)
SB folds, Hero bets $0.6, UTG raises to $2.4, Hero calls $1.80.

Turn: ($5.40) 9

(2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $2.7, Hero calls $2.70.

River: ($10.80) J

(2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $14.7 (All-In), Hero folds.

Final Pot: $25.50

wtf wtf wtf? I figure I have to call flop bet. Calling turn bet bad against villain with no stats? All I am beating is K4, K2 by the river so auto-fold?

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01-23-2008 , 12:19 AM

deegs85

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Um, you folded? What? What kind of hand re-raises when they have a K on the flop? Pocket 2's call. A hand with a K calls. I think you're facing a pocket pair or a lone 2, both of which you beat (unless they have 99 or JJ, which they prob would have raised preflop).

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01-23-2008 , 02:15 AM

members_only

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Nice name OP.

I think your river fold is fine. It's hard to think of a worse hands he could be betting for value, and unless he's a maniac he'll realize one way or another that this isn't a great spot to bluff. It's close though, and tough if you don't have any reads.

Deegs, it's a mistake to assume that people would automatically slow-play any better hand on the flop.

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01-23-2008 , 02:28 AM

Schiester

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Good fold imo. By river villan can be pretty sure you have a K. Your kicker sucks but I don't think that even matters here. The only hand I can see you really beating here is poorly played aces.

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01-23-2008 , 02:39 AM

Hendricks433

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Originally Posted by Schiester

Good fold imo. By river villan can be pretty sure you have a K. Your kicker sucks but I don't think that even matters here. The only hand I can see you really beating here is poorly played aces.

umm I dont think thats true. Ive seen A LOT of terrible plays on boards like this from villains with out a K. I raise them, bet turn, bet river and they call with some pp or something. Although the over pot river push is a strong bet.

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01-23-2008 , 08:26 AM

infinity235

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I'm pretty sure there is almost exactly the same hand in Miller's Small Hand Small Pots video, except that you were in position. He said there is no need to blow the pot because you can't expect to be ahead when the money gets in or the pot gets large because only better hands stick to the pot.

The river is a definite fold. He's repping a better king than you have here.

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01-23-2008 , 10:01 AM

deegs85

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Originally Posted by members_only

Deegs, it's a mistake to assume that people would automatically slow-play any better hand on the flop.

Ok, I understand this, but why is he re-raising so much on the flop (twice the size of the pot)? It looks like villian is trying to push hero off of his hand, which makes me think no K.

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01-23-2008 , 10:33 AM

simonpoker

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Originally Posted by deegs85

Ok, I understand this, but why is he re-raising so much on the flop (twice the size of the pot)? It looks like villian is trying to push hero off of his hand, which makes me think no K.

its a std PSR and he is raising that much to build the pot

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01-23-2008 , 10:38 AM

corsakh

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Learn to type first.
And no, you dont have to call this flop raise.

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01-23-2008 , 10:38 AM

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SDone

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Nice fold, sir.

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01-23-2008 , 10:41 AM

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Nick C

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Villain started with any two (as a poster) and also didn't raise preflop, so I do think there's a damn good chance the two of you would be chopping if you call. However, I doubt you'll be winning very often (although since we have no reads, who knows), and if we were calling strictly in hopes of a chop, that would amount to investing $13.60 to salvage $5.40.

To some extent, the bigger river bet suggests improvement (KJ?) or that Villain wants you to go away. But, anyway, I think the fold is all right.

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01-23-2008 , 10:53 AM

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deegs85

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Is it really a standard PSR? The pot is 1.2, and he's betting 2.4. Not that these guys understand bet-sizing, but that doesn't seem all that standard to me.

Is a 3-bet on the flop a mistake? If he rrai, we can just fold right there. If he calls - I'm thinking we're beat here too.

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01-23-2008 , 10:55 AM

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corsakh

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Pot is not 1.2

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01-23-2008 , 10:58 AM

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deegs85

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On the flop the pot is .6. Hero's bet is .6. .6 + .6 = 1.2. Am I doing something wrong here?

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01-23-2008 , 11:02 AM

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corsakh

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Uncalled pot is 0.6
Called pot is uncalled pot + our bet + villains call = 1.8

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01-23-2008 , 11:05 AM

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insyder19

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How can you expect to be ahead here when you called two of his bets and he shoves the river? Unless he's V. is a complete idiot he has you beat ALWAYS here. A better king just outkicked you, probably even 22, the reason why he limped.

Call me a nit but that's such an easy fold without reads.

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01-23-2008 , 11:23 AM

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simonpoker

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Originally Posted by deegs85

pot is 1.8

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