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I check to snap off a bluff and get almost 2x potted I check to snap off a bluff and get almost 2x potted

07-14-2008 , 11:28 PM
Villain in this hand is a pretty LAGgy moron, having done things like cold 4-bet out of position with Jack high, coldcalling raises with Q9o and calling down with a pair, etc. He got his big stack by rivering trips on me in a big pot and by generally outflopping everyone else.

That said, I never saw him make an overbet like this. I checked the river to induce him to bluff with whatever pair he was calling down with - and then I got it jammed down my throat. Gawd I hate poker. Can I call this or I am just spewing?

Full Tilt Poker $2/$4 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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CO: $1308.90
BTN: $376.00
SB: $400.00
BB: $400.00
UTG: $402.40
Hero (MP): $513.40

Pre Flop: Hero is MP with K Q
1 fold, Hero raises to $14, CO calls $14, 3 folds

Flop: ($34.00) 2 Q Q (2 players)
Hero bets $22, CO calls $22

Turn: ($78.00) 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $75, CO calls $75

River: ($228.00) J (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $403, Hero pukes.
I check to snap off a bluff and get almost 2x potted Quote
07-14-2008 , 11:31 PM
betting is way better than c/c-ing imo. his calling range is wider than his betting range imo.
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07-15-2008 , 05:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by cbboy
betting is way better than c/c-ing imo. his calling range is wider than his betting range imo.
so am I bet/folding here?
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07-15-2008 , 06:16 PM
yeah. unless you think hes capable of turning a small pair into a bluff here or something.
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07-15-2008 , 06:23 PM
uh snap this? if hes bad like you say he's doing this with maybe Q9 and QT and a flush plus al the hands which beat you and also if he has KQ
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07-15-2008 , 06:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by redshift83
uh snap this? if hes bad like you say he's doing this with maybe Q9 and QT and a flush plus al the hands which beat you and also if he has KQ
8 combos of Q9 and QT each for a total of 16 combos. But how many of those combos 2x river pot. Let's say half of them to be very generous. If we take into account the other combos of flushes, boats, and better queens, I think we've realized that it's a fold.

-Paneer
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07-15-2008 , 07:48 PM
oops my bad, for some reason i thought trip queens beats a flush, yeah this is a fold
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07-15-2008 , 07:52 PM
I'd fold to this overbet but I prefer betting the river for value
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07-15-2008 , 07:56 PM
Your logic in checking the river to induce is very flawed. He probably isn't turning most pairs into a bluff here and you're missing out on tons of value by not betting this yourself.
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07-15-2008 , 07:59 PM
checking isn't the way to induce a mistake here. if you have a good read on how he'd react to different bet sizes you could bet/call, but just expect a moron to call again with worse most of the time
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07-15-2008 , 08:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AAismyfriend
Your logic in checking the river to induce is very flawed. He probably isn't turning most pairs into a bluff here and you're missing out on tons of value by not betting this yourself.
yep
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07-16-2008 , 12:15 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by terp
checking isn't the way to induce a mistake here. if you have a good read on how he'd react to different bet sizes you could bet/call, but just expect a moron to call again with worse most of the time
Wish I had kept it simple like this, though the results would have been the same. I called and got shown QJ
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07-16-2008 , 03:01 AM
villian sounds pretty good
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07-16-2008 , 03:28 AM
this is the easiest bet $180ish/fold ever

fold river too, what bluff is he meant to have here?
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07-16-2008 , 06:25 AM
The river is an awful card to induce. If the spade doesn't hit you can check and snap-call most fish.
But the way this hand went down you should obviously bet/fold.
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07-16-2008 , 07:28 AM
b/f>>>>c/c. as played fold.
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