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01-02-2010 , 03:06 AM
Villain has been a pretty big station and plays very fit or fold post flop.

This is standard besides the betsizing? I could probably open bigger, and cbet larger, as well as 3bet the flop larger.

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Hero (BTN/SB): $126.10
BB: $89.90

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BTN/SB with 5 4
Hero raises to $1.50, BB calls $1

Flop: ($3.00) Q 5 4 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $2, BB raises to $7, Hero raises to $22, BB calls $15

Turn: ($47.00) J (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $27, BB calls $27

River: ($101.00) K (2 players)
BB bets $39.40 all in, Hero ?
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01-02-2010 , 03:42 AM
sick hand i feel like youre getting good odds and calling can never be that bad but it does look like he has better 2pair or somethin here
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01-02-2010 , 03:46 AM
Also he 3bets 30+%, and has SD A2o and J3s, but hasn't SD a premium or broadway type hand yet.
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01-02-2010 , 04:20 AM
call and lose i guess...
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01-02-2010 , 04:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Fubster
call and lose i guess...
not optimal imo lol. also betsizing sucks?
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01-02-2010 , 04:30 AM
I guess he have Q5s. Its enough good hand to call OOP but not enough good to 3B. And OESD is not so likely that he have it. He would go all-in much more likely on the flop then started to increase pot without fold equity.
And ofc people can limp pocket power, never know... But i would call it in this spot because investment i already made. And ofc information can be useful in future.. and u probably safe or get your money back in next hand like that.

Last edited by REpresentingcompan; 01-02-2010 at 04:36 AM.
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01-02-2010 , 08:50 AM
I think that calling is ok due to the odds however, I think folding is ok here too. I think that based on your description you beat nothing...
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01-02-2010 , 08:53 AM
i think the whole hand is fine though i might bet like 32 on turn or something...u have to call river, he'll show up with random 67s and stuff enough that getting 4 to 1 is gonna make up for it.
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01-02-2010 , 10:33 AM
snap that ****

Last edited by tmcdmck; 01-02-2010 at 10:33 AM. Reason: SSS nailed it
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01-02-2010 , 11:18 AM
Weird spot, id just bet quite big on the turn and make him commit since your hand isnt that strong, getting 5/1 on river so i think you have to call
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01-02-2010 , 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by ShortSharpShock
i think the whole hand is fine though i might bet like 32 on turn or something...u have to call river, he'll show up with random 67s and stuff enough that getting 4 to 1 is gonna make up for it.
+1
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01-02-2010 , 01:29 PM
thank!
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01-02-2010 , 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by REpresentingcompan
I guess he have Q5s. Its enough good hand to call OOP but not enough good to 3B. And OESD is not so likely that he have it. He would go all-in much more likely on the flop then started to increase pot without fold equity.
And ofc people can limp pocket power, never know... But i would call it in this spot because investment i already made. And ofc information can be useful in future.. and u probably safe or get your money back in next hand like that.
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01-02-2010 , 03:14 PM
bet about 2.4 or 2.5 on the flop and 35~40 on the turn.
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01-02-2010 , 05:46 PM
raise more on flop. that way you can get a big chunk in on turn and not have to worry about calling a river bet like this.
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01-02-2010 , 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Punch Dancer
/thread
top 2 doent just call raises on the flop at 50nl..... seriously dude how is thread/?
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01-02-2010 , 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Poopy_Pants
top 2 doent just call raises on the flop at 50nl..... seriously dude how is thread/?
u got leveled son
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01-02-2010 , 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by mygibbs
Villain has been a pretty big station and plays very fit or fold post flop.

This is standard besides the betsizing? I could probably open bigger, and cbet larger, as well as 3bet the flop larger.

Full Tilt Poker $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 2 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Hero (BTN/SB): $126.10
BB: $89.90

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BTN/SB with 5 4
Hero raises to $1.50, BB calls $1

Flop: ($3.00) Q 5 4 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $2, BB raises to $7, Hero raises to $22, BB calls $15

Turn: ($47.00) J (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $27, BB calls $27

River: ($101.00) K (2 players)
BB bets $39.40 all in, Hero ?
This is a problem with bottom 2-pair. Dont be surprised to have run into this situation. Its either this happens or the river comes a J or Q and kills your hand. Your bet on the turn priced him into the pot. Is he gonna fold the river? Are you gonna fold the river? You have to call his bet here as I presume that was your plan when you made the $27 bet on the turn. As long as the river isnt a J or Q, you gotta be in with it no matter what the action is. So if you're wondering what went wrong, lets find out ... p/f was ok. The flop was ok ... I have to say the turn was your spot. Understand that the turn is when the most cards are on the table that allows draw capabilities. If you're opponent is going to call your re-raise on the flop out of position, he's more likely to call your bet on the turn. Otherwise he would have found the closest exit. Im cool with your play on the turn and its unfortunate you ran into this spot but learn from it. With bottom 2-pair, its risky and depending on how you play, being all-in on the turn to take down the pot with best hand right then may have been the better choice (seeing how your bet on the turn, if called, and his amount of chips left would have been an all-in anyway). The river would be 1 too many cards against your hand. But learn from this and it'll help your game. One thing I want to mention is always know your future play. If he's going to be all-in on the river out of position like that, you should have known that when you made the $27 bet on the turn, that if he's all-in on river and a J or Q didnt come you have to face this decision. Therefore before you make the $27 bet, have the answer to that decision.

I'm going to quote a professional here (wont give the name) "You know you're beat, but you're getting the right price to call"

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