I am 100% HUNL player... at the moment playing 200NL HU ... would it be worth it to try HUSNG?

At the moment beating 200NLHU for 12ptbb what level I should be playing and what ROI is achievable for very good players?

How many HUSNG can you often play in 1 hour considering my standard is 2 tables.

IMO - good players benefit playing with a bigger stacks...and at shallow stacks like 20-30bb the skill decreases...

I am curious why guys prefer HUSNG instead of regular HUNL?

Thanks

HUNL cash is imo much more about skill... in husngs you dont get as much metagame, you cant be super creative bcz of shallower stacks etc.. Also more preflop action (pushing charts, SAGE...) that doesnt give you too much of an edge at the higher levels. I myself did the transition from HUSNGs to 50 HUNL and I am very glad.
I dont want to insult the husng players in any way tho, whatever works for you. peace

If you are beating 200NL for 12ptbb then there is no need to switch. Some people prefer playing with shallow stacks, so they choose HUSNG instead of cash.

I play HUSNG because I'm better at glorified probabilistic mathematics than actual poker

Move up from 200NL, don't switch to HUSNGs. HUSNGs are great for building bankrolls, and playing smaller stakes, but they get really competive and don't run as often at the higher stakes.

You seem to be doing well at HUNL, your ceiling is a lot higher there.

I get the feeling most play HUSNG at lower stakes because the vig/rake is lower. Cash is much more profitable once you hit 50-100 NL right?

Screw off before you make me decide to switch games again lol

HU Cash equivilent is much more profitable than HUSNG's???

I'm not sure? say you're a good HUSNG player and beating say the $50 games for a 15% ROI + are you really going to make more playing NL50 HU with the rake?

Or are you meaning you just make more by playing higher stakes?

Just interested, haven't played much HU cash.

is 24bb/100 sustainable at higher stakes like 1knl+?

so u make roughly 96bb/hr of playing time(assuming 200hands/hr and 2tabling)
96bb=$192

at same stakes husngs(200s) someone with a 10% roi can make

$20/game*6games/hr(of playing time)*2 tables=$240

if everthng is correct then husngs are more profitable

I'm kinda the polar opposite TS.

I just made it to the 100 dollar HUSNGs and the games are like completely dead, regs insta sit them and it takes like 5-10 minutes to get a first seat (on pokerstars, might not be a problem on FT) and then you gotta wait 5-10 more minutes for a donk to sit you.

Personally I want to switch to HUNL, but I've heard they are equally dead if not worse? Plus it kinda sucks because with 12% ROI at the 50s I'm making like 20 an hour, at 10 BB/PH I'd only make what 7.50 an hour at 50NL?

i find this always awesome to read haha
pretty sure that in the current state of the hu cash games (read: they're quite dead on the mid/high stakes) there would be A TON more cash players who take hu sng's as a side income... only person i can think of that does this is barewire (and paster used to do this as well no?)
if hu sng's are all that easy, never wondered why this is not the case?


to OP: focus on one thing first, doing several things at the same time when starting out is NOT a good idea imo... make sure to understand/crush one thing first, then go in depth in poker

so HU cash and SNGs are dead. who wants to switch to 6man rings? heh
I tried playing those, and when its heads up I tend to crush people, but am a little lost on multiway pots and my preflop ranges.

plus its difficult for me to figure out what 6 people are doing. in heads up I hone in on every little detail of each person and can get reads on bet sizing and sometimes even timing tells. in the 6 mans I just get a vague idea of each player.

The HU forums should do what some states do with their homeless. They buy them a one way ticket to Hawaii(seriously)...The HU forums should try to send some of us regs away by making a how-to transition to other games thread with detailed instructions on how to incorporate heads ups expertise in multi-way pots. It would really help the HU economy.

I don't know if you're American, but if not I'd advice you to try another site. For instance PKR.com has undoubtedly the softest competition in online poker atm. due to their software. Although their software isn't very "reg"-friendly, PKR makes up for it in the amount of bad players there.

Party Poker on peak hours has quite soft competition at the HU cash tables.

I've noticed that on sites where Americans are allowed, the avg. skill level tend to be higher when comparing to non-US sites.

play both

What?

Ok rate at 50NL HU = 10ptbb so you make 20BB every 100 hands

2 tabling you get 400 hands/h = 4x20bb = 80BB = 40$/h

2 tabling 100NL HU = 80$/h

2 tabling 200NL HU = 160$/h - but you will not always get 2 tables action on 200NL HU for 6 hours+ per day...

Unless you play regs.......

Given teh current state of games I doubt many players are playing regs.

At the higher level (200 and up) I find a lot people sitting multiple tables and sitting out if you seem slightly competent. Those who keep playing are mostly good players. I obviously play husngs, but that was just my brief view on hucash. One thing I like husngs about is that when you register for a game you are stuck with that opponent until one of you busts

I see what you are saying and agree with some of it. However, saying that you don't get as much metagame is false imo. You have to realize that in husngs you often rematch players and have long matches. Obviously developing metagame along the way.

There is more action in husngs for sure. At least all the way up to the $220's. Every once in a while I have to wait like 10 minutes at 220/110, but usually get a match within a minute or 2

Disclaimer: This opinion is only regarding Turbo Husngs.

"I dont want to insult the husng players in any way tho"

Too late! haha jk

you dont want to play husngs theyre all shortstackers and you might get some of it on you

Tables depends on what site and stakes that you're playing, same with competition.

It's probably not worth it in the short term for most hu cash players to transition. Really good thinkers that understand the structure differences and many adjustments that go along with it are good exceptions, but most players that try this usually struggle at first.

I can't tell you how many "god, I run so bad, these players all suck man, they just suck, I know because I beat 600NL hu" I've heard in the last two years.

If you don't enjoy playing shortstack players heads up and don't destroy them I would study the game and play irregularly before deciding to make husng your 2nd home.

Also, isn't action brutal in hu cash these days? I was under the impression that once you hit the mid stakes there it's nothing but waiting an hour or so for an opponent who actually plays you for longer than 15 hands. Or does everybody just whine a lot?

y do u want to switch op?? the only thing ppl consider switching is because they are not doing too well. Focus on what u are doing is definitely +EV.

I am not satisfied with the action im getting at 200NL HU and i want to move up to 1000NL HU but it will get even worse... So i am looking for other options... how can i take my HU experience and expand it.

And I thought HUSNG is close to HUNL - so want to see what people think

i think hu sngs are way more tilting as often when a donk sucks out on you and snap decline a rematch, you're like %^&%^% but in hu cash you get a higher winrate as fish don't snap decline(?) and you can win back your money in the long run.

I dont understand Alex,you are making sick income,what else you need? Make few millions and go to nosebleeds where you will get alot of action haha

lol disagree. Cash game fish can hit and run you infinitely.