Hey guys, ive been wondering if anyone uses a balanced flop raising strat vs the pre flop 3bettor? and if so are there any articles on how to implement this?/ or any advice on where to start?

Thanks

Steve

What exactly do you mean? Most open 90-100% as a standard on the button and go from there. Against someone who doesnt 3 bet alot and doesnt play a ton OOP for sure open 100%, against someone who 3 bets alot, maybe just adjust by opening less buttons, also depends on how they play post flop

Just make some completely random min raises

fyp

sry if ive not explained it too good, what i mean is this:

i open say 3x from the btn
the bb 3bets to 10x
i call with x-x
flop is x-x-x
vill cbets 1/2 pot
hero?

As hero, is there a balanced/gto type strat i can use so i can raise his flop cbet and be indifferent to wether or not he calls/folds/raises?

ive never really heard alot about this for HU , i watched matt janda on Cr explain about balancing a range using flopzilla in 6 max.

his example was basic ...hero (btn) calls a c/o open, and vill cbets 3/4 pot....so hero has to defend with 60% of his btn flatting range in order not to be exploited (or let vill freeroll to the turn)

so he split 60% of his range into groups of hands that he would flat or raise vils cbet with....then he said for every value combo he raises on the flop he can raise 2 of bluff> likewise on the turn every value combo raised allows him to raise one combo of bluff

So im wondering if people are using a similar logic (slightly tweeked due to the diff in bet sizes/psr) to some up with a balanced flop raising strat HU in 3bet pots? or if people think its worth my while working one out? or if its poss just "OTT"

Steve

No, don't raise. Raising is very bad here. It's unlikely villain has anything. You have five of a kind, with the x's, so call and let villain continue barreling.

superb

Hmm. You're not going to get GTO, so you'll have to settle for the informal definition of balance.

Ever try messing around with a word doc and Pokerstove, analyzing tons of different board textures and figuring out balances for different ranges? It's intensive work, but I don't think anyone has ever spoonfed anyone this stuff. You should try balancing two types of ranges: (1) a raise-heavy range, partitioned into stack-worthy hands/draws and weak semi-bluffs you don't want to either float or stack off with (or pure air, depending on the board texture); (2) a call-heavy range, partitioned into strong hands/draws, one- or two- or three-street bluff-catchers, and floats and weak draws. It helps to know how to balance both. The end goal isn't to assemble a sort of chart you'll mechanically rely on; it's to get a better feel for these situations.

Feel free to post excerpts of your work ITT if you need to make sure it isn't stupid.

This could get you into trouble in some spots. It assumes villain is c-betting a high %.

Say you call villain's 3-bet and get a QT7 two-tone flop, and villain is c-betting with a strong range and a low-ish frequency—around 35%. Either way, you're probably -EV on average when villain c-bets. Trying to continue with 60% of your non-nitty 3-bet-flatting range might make that even worse. It might look like you're being exploited, but you have to take into consideration the +EV you get when villain checks, which might more than compensate for the losses to c-bets.

Great stuff, apreciated tyvm