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12-10-2019 , 09:17 PM
    Yatahay Network - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
    Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3

    Hero (BTN): $15.36 (153.6 bb)
    SB: $10.05 (100.5 bb)
    BB: $4.34 (43.4 bb)
    UTG: $5.34 (53.4 bb)
    MP: $10.72 (107.2 bb)
    CO: $21.20 (212 bb)

    SB posts $0.05, BB posts $0.10

    Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has T T
    3 folds, Hero raises to $0.25, SB calls $0.20, fold

    Flop: ($0.60, 2 players) 3 2 2
    SB bets $0.60, Hero raises to $1.95, SB calls $1.35

    Turn: ($4.50, 2 players) 6
    SB checks, Hero bets $13.16 and is all-in

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    12-10-2019 , 09:40 PM
    Do you have any reason to believe that villain is a fish besides the fact that they donked pot otf?
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    12-10-2019 , 09:46 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by whitemares
    Do you have any reason to believe that villain is a fish besides the fact that they donked pot otf?
    That they flatted SB and donked is enough
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    12-10-2019 , 10:07 PM
    They are obviously a fish, what I mean to ask is if you have any further information regarding villain's tendencies

    Villain is certainly some kind of fish, but unless you have anything else to go on, they could very well be extremely nitty, or a complete aggrotard, or somewhere in between
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    12-10-2019 , 10:50 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by whitemares
    They are obviously a fish, what I mean to ask is if you have any further information regarding villain's tendencies

    Villain is certainly some kind of fish, but unless you have anything else to go on, they could very well be extremely nitty, or a complete aggrotard, or somewhere in between
    No info srry. This hand only
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    12-10-2019 , 10:51 PM
    obviously moron has a hand he likes -
    when he donks PSB OTF - u exploit by overfolding TT and raising monsters
    when he checks turn - u check back IP and take ur unimproved hand to showdown
    OTR - u check back if he checks and note the cards and line he takes
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    12-10-2019 , 11:14 PM
    Yeah in my experience in this pool, people are usually quite nutted when they click the pot button

    Without more info to go on, exploit folding flop is probably better than exploit jamming turn. Though I’d just call flop and snap check turn
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    12-10-2019 , 11:39 PM
    I think you played it well - the deuces are essentially blanks.

    There's over 100 FD combos here. And all probably have ~25% equity against you OTT

    There's 13 combos of hands that beat you with 66/22/33/45s/A2s.

    I like your odds.

    This isn't even taking into account the times Villain has 77-99 and decides to Hero you because he puts you on a FD.
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    12-11-2019 , 12:22 AM
    He flats in SB, the boards 322, and you think I should fold when he donks pot? You really think he has hands which beat TT often enough here, if at all? I mean I don't know recs SB flatting range very well SB vs BTN, but I can't imagine it contains much JJ+ or deuces. Maybe I am wrong.

    I thought id go for value before the board changes.

    Do you not think a board is indicative of fear and wanting protection with a hand like 55-99 more often than not?
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    12-11-2019 , 12:41 AM
    DDP nailed it

    however, there is a reason why OP posted this hand here right?
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    12-11-2019 , 01:00 AM
    I've been experimenting with betting enough so about 80% of stacks are in on the turn in spots like this vs fish, instead of shoving. Not sure what to think of it yet, but I have been shoved on with air a couple times.
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    12-11-2019 , 01:22 AM
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    Originally Posted by Real_
    I've been experimenting with betting enough so about 80% of stacks are in on the turn in spots like this vs fish, instead of shoving. Not sure what to think of it yet, but I have been shoved on with air a couple times.
    I kind of like this. I did this earlier with KK all in preflop. 2 short stacks were in the hand and one was shipping 40BB - the other fish had around 60BB. I just called the 40BB and the other fish called.

    Then we got the other 20BB in OTF and the fish had Q8hh.

    Different streets but similar concept.
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    12-11-2019 , 10:17 AM
    Rather hero getting exploited.......

    Dont raise otf.
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    12-11-2019 , 10:59 AM
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    Originally Posted by TakeItiletyou
    Rather hero getting exploited.......

    Dont raise otf.
    Why not?
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    12-11-2019 , 11:05 AM
    Bigger flop raise. Comfy turn shove.
    Folding TT to the donkbet, are you serious?
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    12-11-2019 , 01:00 PM
    Bigger on the flop.
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    12-11-2019 , 01:40 PM
    Maybe I'm just being a little "MUBSy" as the old-school guys say

    I think there are a ton of really nitty fish in the 10nl blitz pool, but honestly why wouldn't a fish play 3x/99-44/clubs like this, even if they are on the tighter side

    The way you played it, I also agree with a bigger flop raise
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    12-11-2019 , 06:38 PM
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    Originally Posted by kvnd
    Why not?
    If more reads at some freq yes a raise is good. Against unknown with condensed range do pair of T`s auto raise in your polar betting strategy? It dose not seem right to me.
    But everyone agree with you so maybe just me who dont get it.
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    12-11-2019 , 07:32 PM
    bigger flop if you want to raise
    not sure why you're shipping turn 2x, don't you want him to come along with more hands you beat?
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    12-11-2019 , 08:23 PM
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    Originally Posted by TakeItiletyou
    If more reads at some freq yes a raise is good. Against unknown with condensed range do pair of T`s auto raise in your polar betting strategy? It dose not seem right to me.
    But everyone agree with you so maybe just me who dont get it.
    We need to protect our equity on the flop. I'd rather flat with AA/KK for example.
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    12-11-2019 , 10:41 PM
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    Originally Posted by ionutd
    bigger flop if you want to raise
    not sure why you're shipping turn 2x, don't you want him to come along with more hands you beat?
    I am aware turn overbet jams of this nature are theoretically bad. I thought the fish would hero call with a pocket pair as DooDoo said. I thought by allowing a free card, I would be unable to get stacks in on river for value with over half the possible deck that could show up on the river

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by TakeItiletyou
    If more reads at some freq yes a raise is good. Against unknown with condensed range do pair of T`s auto raise in your polar betting strategy? It dose not seem right to me.
    But everyone agree with you so maybe just me who dont get it.
    In my mind there is no better hand to raise, except maybe 99. TT beats the overwhelming majority if not all of Villain's flatting range on the flop, and also needs protection badly. Why do you think it is a bad hand to raise? You didn't give your logic
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    12-12-2019 , 01:18 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by TakeItiletyou
    If more reads at some freq yes a raise is good. Against unknown with condensed range do pair of T`s auto raise in your polar betting strategy? It dose not seem right to me.
    But everyone agree with you so maybe just me who dont get it.
    I am also in the same boat

    flop:
    not sure whether OP has hud allowed
    I actually have donk flop, donk bet-fold in my hud stats. so it helps me when to raise the donks. I also note down what they show when they donk.

    SB fish here can have anything under the sky on 322. FCOL, 72s,82s,J2s are std calls for fish from blinds in my country in pokerstars.

    That donk looks like 44-99, draw, or over card

    turn:
    Now 6 OTT helps SB. 66,45, can very well donk flop on 322.

    I would actually check back here or rather bet POT.

    We have ton of SDV, we should be WA. I am not sure whether I want to get my stacks in on river for value with a pocket pair like TT

    I feel we could have got one more bet from SB OTR once we check back turn.
    I am happy that ur shove worked for you.

    Last edited by dubakkur2; 12-12-2019 at 01:24 AM.
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    12-12-2019 , 08:10 PM
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    Originally Posted by dubakkur2
    I am also in the same boat

    flop:
    not sure whether OP has hud allowed
    I actually have donk flop, donk bet-fold in my hud stats. so it helps me when to raise the donks. I also note down what they show when they donk.

    SB fish here can have anything under the sky on 322. FCOL, 72s,82s,J2s are std calls for fish from blinds in my country in pokerstars.

    That donk looks like 44-99, draw, or over card

    turn:
    Now 6 OTT helps SB. 66,45, can very well donk flop on 322.

    I would actually check back here or rather bet POT.

    We have ton of SDV, we should be WA. I am not sure whether I want to get my stacks in on river for value with a pocket pair like TT

    I feel we could have got one more bet from SB OTR once we check back turn.
    I am happy that ur shove worked for you.
    Checking back the turn is pretty bad since any diamond, club, 4, 5, 6, J, Q, K, A is going to suck or kill action. That's 36 of 44 possible river cards?
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