Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
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SB: $6.50
BB: $2.00
UTG: $4.60
UTG+1: $9.25
Hero (UTG+2): $18.15
MP1: $9.00
MP2: $9.25
CO: $10.35
BTN: $1.85

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is UTG+2 with A K
UTG raises to $0.20, UTG+1 calls $0.20, Hero raises to $1, MP1 calls $1, 5 folds, UTG calls $0.80, UTG+1 calls $0.80

Flop: ($4.15) 9 3 7 (4 players)
UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero checks, MP1 bets $1, UTG calls $1, UTG+1 calls $1, Hero calls $1

Turn: ($8.15) K (4 players)
UTG checks, UTG+1 bets $2, Hero raises to $5, MP1 folds, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls $3

River: ($18.15) 7 (2 players)
UTG+1 bets $2.25 all in, Hero calls $2.25

any stats on utg and utg+1?

I probably c/f the flop here.

as played, if you're going to raise this turn, just shove... the pot is 100bb when the action is on you, so if you think you're ahead, just stick it in.

4 clean outs and you're calling on the flop after 2 calls. Hmmm.

I don't like the raise on the turn. It flips your hand over. River you have to call.

Don't like flop call, prefer a c/f. Am indifferent to shove/smaller raise on turn, but I think both are prolly better than flatting. As played river seems fine

all IMHO

no stats. What price do you think i need, if i believe if i hit a A or K to be good, would i need? I was getting 7 to 1 on my money and without running the cards in a simulator I was thinking over most ranges id be a 4.5 to 1 dog. I have no idea if thats correct but thats what i was thinking.

I really can't say why i didn't shove the turn, I had a brain fart. I was about to then at the last min i pulled it back and just raised to 5.

How happy are you if that A or K is a club? You've got a marginal hand and a lot of opponents. Time to cut your losses.

Iirc, 6 outs needs ~7:1 odds. While you have those odds, you draw suffers from RIO

Two outs aren't clean.

4 outs, 4/47 = 0.085
You need almost 12:1

and you're drawing to a RIO hand on a wet board in a multiway pot potentially OOP.

Fold flop. As played fine.

Agree with most, don't like the call on the flop. What do you guys think of re-raising the flop (to try and take it down here), though? A $1 bet seems quite weak to me, and Hero was the one who showed pf strength. I'd probably actually take the initiative and put in a pot-size raise. Or would I be completely wrong in doing that?

I don't think with this many callers (indicating probable draws) there's much to be gained by reraising. Unless you shove others are going to think they've got odds to call because someone else has called before them/probably will after them.

The problem is, even if you make your hand, you are often still behind. Someone could already have a set and you are drawing dead. The A or K that complete the flush are horrible cards if you get any action. Even if none of the opponents had a set or the FD, the A and K might still be bad cards for you, since opponents often have hands like A7 or K9 here. There are very few scenarios where the turn is A or K and you are happy to get it in. The direct odds don't matter much, since you got such bad reverse implied odds. If this was HU, it would be different of course, but here this situation is horrible. Even if you had 6 clean outs, the turn card can kill the action when the opponents have hands like T9 or JJ, meaning you won't win anyone's stack.

Just because you have such a wonderful hand as AKs doesn't mean you can't fold it when you have to, like here. This situation is not that great even with AA, I'd fully expect to lose quite often here with it, and be happy if the money goes in as a favorite.

for clarity, i'm advocating a c/f on the flop, since the expressed odds we're getting correspond to the odds we need if we have 6 outs, but i think the RIO we are exposed to if we hit one of those outs tilts the decision away from calling and towards folding; i'm thinking of situations where the A or K also improves someone else's hand, or else we are already drawing dead/superthin.

anyway, perhaps your definition of a clean out differs from mine, to my way of thinking we may have zero clean outs (if an opponents already has a set) or maybe only 3 clean outs (if an opponents has A9/A7/A3/K9/K7/K3) as well as the situation where we have 4 clean outs vs a FD.

are the four clean outs you're talking about your estimation of how many cards are outs on average vs the field's ranges, or are you only thinking of the situation where we are against a FD? or are you only counting the non-club outs because you won't be happy stacking off on A/K turn? which then implies you would be happy calling if you got correct odds to draw to non-club aces or kings?

cause FWIW i think this is a fold even on a 9 3 7 flop.

After reading all the posts and evaluating all of the different players and options I have to say that you guys really came up with some good advise on this one. Although I did win the hand at the showdown when the donk shoved his last 2 bucks in on a busted straight draw (QJo) I will learn from my mistake. I see your points now for c/f the flop and will do so from now on in the same spot. To be honest I didn't even think about what I would do if the A or K of clubs came.

Thanks for the advise