LOL at bumnunt 4tabling making you better at poker... How about taking shots and thinking/talking about and analyzing your play as well as your opponents play and what better players do that **** with you and how to counter these things and how higher stakes players approach the game and how dumb we are etc etc etc

this makes sense because the weakest tables at a limit generally play closer to the limit below it. if you want to move up you have to be looking to increase your profits in marginal situations instead of just picking the low hanging fruit. yes there will always be the 60/5 fish but there are way fewer of them, and they don't stay around for nearly as long unless they have deep pockets. having played a lot of 200nl & 400nl lately (there is a huge difference between these limits, imo), it's obvious to me that you have to learn how to profit against the other regulars if you want to be more than a marginal winner.

The TAG regs at 400nl don't play the same weak tight game that you see among the mass of small stakes grinders. they don't let you get away with isolating nearly as frequently, so you are forced to play pots with them. they use their position for all that it's worth and don't just roll over. you also find LAG players who are actually good and very annoying.

The kinds of mistakes that make some of the players mentioned in this thread 'lol bad' are not as easy to exploit as things like "bad pre-flop hand selection, limp/folding, calling down three streets w/ 3rd pair, etc'. I'm guessing that the players who you guys see as weak are bad at things like determining when to properly apply aggression due to an inability to recognize lines and read hands well. Or maybe they just can't let go of hands when they are beat, or simply spew a lot with uncalled for pre-flop aggression. With the average player making fewer fundamental errors, the effects of spew on winrate are significant.


obviously you have to spend a lot of time looking at your game away from the table to gauge your weaknesses and understand where you are losing value or simply executing losing strategies. what are some of the things that you think really separate the mediocre grinders from the guys who have a chance to move on to the bigger games?

PTBBs go up as you move up in stakes guys imo

missing a bunch more hands from database because wasn't using HEM for a while but yeah obv:

[x]lol sample size

Well I know everyone hates on people who play low numbers of tables, but I swear by playing very low numbers of tables and I think if I added more I would make bad decisions. Im constantly using my whole time bank over and over again to think about all my decisions carefully and it usually pays. It might be because im a live player and im use to having a lot more time between hands.

Yeh I play only 3-4 tables and obviously usually pick the best ones. I dont think its that deterimental to moving up though by any means. I think its actually helped me a lot at dealing with the tougher players of 3/6 and 5/10.

um yea obv you will make more mistakes. your winrate will decrease. But if your hourly increases then who cares

and i don't hate on it i just think it's basically a joke when they are like ZOMG LOOK AT MY WINRATE... LOL YOU SUCK

There's an added benefit to it. With a lower winrate comes higher variance, and a lot of people just don't deal with that.

As far as your 3/6 > 2/4 situation, i would guess its that you play a lot better against decent tricky regs than bad unpredictable players, the latter of which you see a lot more of at 2/4.

well how do i a fix that lol i've been asking myself for so long

stop playing 2/4

this seems true, penelope plays gooood deepstacked.

Yeah, and i noticed he played very badly against me......

Game selecting and attemting to beat the regs are not mutually exclusive.

game selecting essentially means that theres like 1 less regular at the table, but you still get to play regulars... Also you generally play a bit looser with 4 tables, so you get in more tricky situations, which means your learning more.

I moved up from NL50 to NL600 bumhunt 4tabling this year.

bingo

haha I can tell you right now if you ever see me playing 2/4 I am 110% blacked out.

There is no deep 2/4 game harder than an average 10/20 deep game or whatever nonsense was being argued.

guys some of us are just too old and slow to more than 4 table

play on ur laptop imo.