your mom is heads up

there's really kno way to tell how moving up with affect your winrate ldo

hourly rate is more important than winrate

but whats more important is longterm rate.

not sure how to coin it, but it is hourly rate x how long you can play per day/month/year

eg - when i just play 4 tables i can play 3 hours whilst playing my A game and not losing focus, i can then take a break and play another 3 hours etc.

if i was playng 12 tables 1.5-2hours would be my maximum and after a couiple of days of doing this i would be burnt out

I demand to know whether you are feeling/LOLDIE83, TOM N TOMS, Steve yea, or that other monkey i forgot his name.

its not a testament to how small to 220k hand sample is, its a testament to how well kaintd77 bumhunts HU.

games are dead...afaik

I disagree. You are using your hours to play. You would rather earn $100 in 1h then $150 in 10 hours. But of course it matters too, how many hours you can play. And what your winrate is if you play X hours a day or month. And what it is if you play X+n hours.

a) probably not my true winrate, HM says I run 2 bb / 100h good in all-ins in that sample
b) yeah not a big enough sample size
c) not my whole DB, not including 1/2- (boring although 13.7 bb) or 10/20- (shot taking hasn't gone well for me)
d) includes last year when games were easier so current true winrate is probably even less

However, every session I make quite a few big mistakes that I recognize as mistakes and probably plenty more that a better player would recognize as mistakes.

Therefore, I don't think 4.5 ptbb true winrate at MSNL is something only the 99th percentile regs achieve, I think it's more common than you think.

Also, hourly >>>> winrate. And sh58 makes a good point that long term winrate >>>> hourly.

yeah i have the same winrate as jurr at 2/4 and 3/6 over a few 100k hands, and look at some of my posts lol

bumhunting doesnt count

why can i beat 600nl pretty decently but barely beat 400nl. please to be explaining. kthx... (srsly... both 300k+ samples.)

i'd rather be a bumhunter than a fpp pro.

uh stop playing 400.

yes but playing 120 hours /month @ $300/hour is better than playing 80 hours /month @ $350/hour.

especially if you carry on playing past the 80 hours/month in the latter case, but those extra hours your hourly crashes as those are the times you are playing your B and C games.

You play FTP 6-max right? Probably because when you play 600nl you game select a lot more than when you play 400nl where you sit on the toughest (usually deep) tables possible. Im just guessing here though. 400 nl 6-max on FTP can either be somewhat easy or very hard depending on what game you choose.

I have seen 400 deep games that are tougher than an average 10/20 6-max game (line up of 4 solid 400 NL regs and 2 1000 NL regs slumming for whatever reason, and 0 fish)

hahahhahahahahah

in your dreams maybe

i think you underestimate the power of game selection and overestimate how much harder games get when you move up.

Dont believe me? Hows this for a lineup for a deep 400 6-max table?

TOM N TOMS, IRockhoes, Overbet56, House of Zorn, QuattroFour4, Nicolak

Its the current lineup of table Reef right now. IRock is a winning 10/20 reg and Nicolak is a winning 5/10 reg. The other regs are all winning players on table ratings.

Now I can go and find another 400 6-max game on FTP that has a line up 1 decent reg, 2 terrible regs, 2 fish, and 1 bad shortie. And nobody that has ever won above 2/4. Theres a world of difference.

still waaaaaaaaayyyyy softer than the 10/20 table you described

I played in the softest 2/4 games as well as in the toughest 5/10 games you can imagine

I underestimate or overestimate absolutely nothing

I wouldnt say so. I have seen many a 10/20 table with two fish and two very good regs and 2 medicore regs. And the fish make up for the fact these are 10/20 regs and not the 2/4 regs of the Table Reef. You have to understand that skilllevel wise: 10/20 regs > 2/4 regs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fish

And 10/20 fish are just as bad as 2/4 fish.

2/4 regs are fish mostly

btw comparing THAT table exactly to an average 10/20 table is just insane

lol at that being a tough table....

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