Evening all,

Hopefully correct thread for this.

My redline is shocking at 2nl (top pic) and 5nl (bottom pic) and I'm wondering if anyone could help with some common leaks to look for?

Cheers,

Lack of aggression and over folding.

I'd recommend you post the graphs in BB rather than $. It's normal/fine to have a losing red line, so the extent is sort of important.

thanks for your reply, it seems to be around 100bbs/1,000 hands - which sounds terrible to me. I'm working on using flop and turn textures better to my advantage more and taking note of when opportunities arise due to range advantage shifting

As you have pokertracker try playing 2nlz zoom and position the graph directly under the client so you can see the lines increase/decrease in real time. Per hand. that'll give you a good overview of what's happening and where.

At the same time, don't worry about it and probably better to learn how to beat the games with a more value heavy style first. Good 2nl play often trumps good redline play, it won't hurt to try and figure out WHERE and WHY we choose the negative redline options so often in that kind of pool. While we should strive to win AMAP with aggression until you can read ranges and know when to apply max pressure there is lower hanging fruit (folding, value betting, thin value betting) that we can use to crush anyway.

If you want to bluff more look for small bluffs where you usually wouldn't fire. The game is full of profitable spots that aren't always obvious but it takes work and experimentation to understand where they are

Even though a nitty playstyle is certaintly suboptimal at the micros, it's usually the best a newer player can do given his limitations. You'll figure out how to turn the heat up over time

If green line is fine that what is important.
On nl2-nl5 you probably cant have positive redline if you play lot of MW pots.

In your first picture, you have lost around $40 at 2nl or approximately 2000 big blinds and this was over the course of approximately 26,000 hands. This would result in a red line loss rate of about 2,000/26,000 or ~-7.6bb/100. For your 5nl sample its about -150$ or 30bi and in 44k hands.... again this is equivalent to about -3,000/44,000 ... ~-7bb/100

Both of these loss rates likely signify some amount of leaks related to red line, but is not a big deal in the grand scheme of the things. As other posts have stated your green line is the most important and as you improve so will your understanding and your line(s).

Do not worry about red line at Micros. I would bet the large majority of winning regs at these stakes will have a losing red line.

It's also quite possible that some very small leaks that barely affect your winrate can make your red line be a lot worse.

Think about thin value bets IP on the river. Maybe you've calculated that this bet is very very marginally +EV, like 0.1bb of EV betting vs checking. If you always bet here, the times your opponents would have a fold, which is presumably a lot in this scenario, those winnings now go into your redline. If you always check back when your opponent has air, those winnings go into blue line. We've shifted a lot of our winnings from blue to red line by taking an aggressive but very marginally profitable path.

The short answer, which has already been said, is that green is all that matters. Work on your game and focus on making good decisions, but know that very small marginal decisions like what I put above can have a significant redline shift while not really affecting green line at all.

Calling vs folding bluff catchers also has the same effect. We know that bluff catchers on the river are 0EV in solver land. If a hand is mixed 90% call and 10% fold, in theory against a balanced opponent it doesn't matter what action we take. Our long term EV is the same. But if we always call, our red line will be a lot better, but our blue goes way down. If we always fold, our red line will tank but our blue doesn't move. Our decision has absolutely no impact on our long run profitability, the green line is the same, just which side of a very close decision or indifferent decision we take will determine which line takes the hit and which one doesn't.