My friend and I disagree about this line, wondering what your guys' thoughts are.


Poker Stars $20+$2 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t15/t30 Blinds - 2 players
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Hero (BTN/SB): t1340 M = 29.78
BB: t1660 M = 36.89

Pre Flop: (t45) Hero is BTN/SB with 4 4
Hero raises to t60, BB calls t30

Flop: (t120) 4 A 8 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t60, BB calls t60

Turn: (t240) 9 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t120, BB raises to t310, Hero calls t190

River: (t860) 2 (2 players)
BB bets t980, Hero calls t910 all in

How does your opponent play? That's very important. Besides from that, it looks okay.

perfect

well for the 10 hands that we played, he flatted all of my button opens, c/f to most of them. He raised his button every time. and he has not 3 bet me yet

standard

where are you disagreeing? riverfold?

flop c/c and turn c/r represents strenght, and there are quite a few rivers we dont particulary like, so im 3betting turn.

I probably raise turn just cause I don't think he's folding.

Flat call turn don't 3-bet it, well played.

disagreement was on the turn, whether to flat or to just shove

flat

I'd flat

can you guys explain why you would flat?

Position and he will fire alot of his busted draws when we flat turn.

what kind of draws are you putting him on that he floats the flop with? not seeing it

i suppose he can have KcXc but i'd not be surprised by random king high and occasionally 67. i'm still flatting turn bc i dont think theres a single river card that lets him get away from his worse value hands so his river bluffing freq would have to be exactly 0 for jamming to even be equal to flatting. theres really no point in trying to guess at wtf he's thinking in a $22 cause who knows maybe he has K9

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Its horribly annoying when someone writes that and you aren't holding. Apologise please.

Blah, I was going to say that calling is fine because you want him to fire river the small % chance he is bluffing, but most people have something they aren't ever folding if they CR turn. The negative to calling is that a card comes on the river that kills our action. Like if he has A2, A8, 89 and the river comes another 9,8,A to counterfeit his 2 pair.

The only reason I think calling on turn is ok is because the board is so dry, so he shouldn't fold no matter what comes on the river if he has a bluff or a solid hand. But imo I would shove turn.

This is why I raise the turn. Its 22$ level, most players are not folding an ace here, or any pair for that matter. People are just stations here, we fold out his air is all but he'll be shutting down on the river a lot anyways. With the turn raise can bloat the pot and further commit him for a river shove.

I didnt really word it correctly, Basically he will commit a larger % of his range (Weak 2p TPWK etc aswell as busted combinations like weak pairs+draws) and therefore his stack when we flat turn.

Okay. So you are saying that villian reads the turn flat for weaker, which makes his stacking off range larger? That makes a lot of sense. I still think if he's a station you can't go wrong raising the turn. But against a thinking player this is probably the best line.

At turn I'd bet 190.

This. A turn c/r over our 2 barrel on this type of board is typically a range of hands that is pretty much always getting it in on the turn. We can't afford for the river to get scary and kill our action. This isn't the worst board to be worrying about our action being killed, bc I don't think most of the draws are in his flop c/c range really. Either way, 9/8/c a ****ty AX could decide to block bet 100ish and fold to a jam. Can't let that happen.

Obv jamming turn looks std. I like a 3bet leaving a few chips behind for villain to think he has fold equity sometimes. If we jam we fold out some draws. If we 3bet the draws that would fold to the shove will flat (with awful odds) or jam thinking ur bluffing/they have fe. The non-draw hands that stack off when we jam turn and when we 3bet smaller on turn are the same imo.

So ya, 3bet turn to 600ish imo.

bet 150 on turn, not half pot

4-bet jam turn

ez game

calling can be better vs some players, but in a vacuum vs the large pool there is shoving is better

You only have 40bb and a set. ez game