God Day Everyone !
Im writing this in full tiltmode and I recently start to question my NIT strategy at full ring against these kind of Limp lovers.
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How should a we play against these guys?!
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should we also limp along with Spec hands? and destroy our NIT image?, how about low PP when to limpers before me, My instinct is o build a pot and raise... should i limp along and loose the aggresion factor to someone else?

Today i played my "normal" strategy and I went down pretty fast, I wait for god spots and 3x 4x and 5x pre with AA, JJ, QQ etc and allways gets , 3,4 limp-calls

and 5 out of 5 times, the miracle card gets there either on turn or river. ty u limp geek with Q-4s, UTG ... and the flush gets there after pott size bet on the flop and follow up with 3/4 on the turn... The only good thing today was that I did press "close the table" button pretty fast.

Iv never seen so much limp-calling pre with completly junk hands, and super slowplaying, I try to run over them with big raises but they dont care.
only got like 3k hands but this is so sick. (Im jus to play Zoom NL 10but are a little tired of Zoom, because i wanted more reads on people i play against)

now im scared when i get delt AA,KK,QQ, and the board are very dry with 2 people in it

I hope someone can tell me, should i just keep going my NIT style and let the varians do its job or should I also Limp when everbody Limps and dont fold, for the record i hate to Limp, but when i raise pre and dont hit the bord i feel that i must C-bet like 70% of the time anyways and more money are wasted on weak calling stations...

(Relatively new player here) Sounds like you're onto a winning right? Calling pot sized bets on flop with flush draws, the problem is with 3+ in the pot the odds may well still be against you. Have tried going bigger pre? Against uber fish I'm often happy to raise to more like 10x with many limping fish - I'd say keep increasing the size of your open until you're mostly getting heads up or getting it all in pre!

dont understand what u mean by" Sounds like you're onto a winning right?"
but if u ask about me as a loosing player or winning player?
Yes at Zoom poker i have played over 50.000 hands, 4 tabling and have a winrate around 5
4,9 (10NL) problem with the Zoom it gets very boring over time when u autopilot at fullring game. playing VPIP 13 PFR 10
and now when i move to regular tables im getting crush with the same hands.
Thx for the pre flopp tips, It have cross my mind several times to do that. thx 2 u i will try it next session !

have anymore tips?, or standard moves u like to share?

(for the record iv almost never ever played regular tables)

Sorry replace winning with 'winner' - in other words it sounds like you're able to get opponents to call big bets when they shouldnt. Similarly to you I played a lot of micro zoom NL and was a small winner but have recently moved to 888 regular tables. Here you have ridiculous fish who will stack off with top pair no kicker. I've found my mindset has to be very different to zoom. In zoom I three bet nits light, I cbet regularly because there aren't many big call stations. At 888 I almost never bluff - I wait til I have top pair top kicker (nutted) type hands and then I work out what pot percentage I can bet to get their whole stack. When there are lots of Lippers who play most pots and I have a strong hand I bet ridiculously big, because it can and will be called a lot worse and if I get many callers it gets a lot harder to play my hand post flop (this isn't a fact as far as I know its just I don't know as well how to play post flop multi way). Then if I have an over pair or a good top pair, depending on how dry I bet 2/3rds to pot on each and every street, if they raise me I get very worried, but when they call I have to trust they will be doing it with worse a lot of the time.
In short play very tight - don't bluff, cbet (as a bluff) or semi bluff because they don't fold, fold almost every time you miss and make up for it in stacks when you hit.

Typically, regular tables will be much softer than Zoom tables. And having limpers and over-limpers in the hand is the sign of a very soft table.

My advice would be to post some of the example hands you are talking about.

Yea scoop monkey i would post some hands, and i will. Problem is that my computer crash yesterday and all of my hands was deleted... That sucked... Im having a little bit of dilemma now. All my hands and stats are gone, but on the other side i get a new fresh start.. I would definitly hAve al my hands saved somewhere but, yeah. What can I do....

If you play on Stars you can request your hand histories.

Well i have an break from zoom and I play on a Swedish site atm. But i think i will do that just to get my old zoom hands. Ty

I think i will try to to open standard 3x with PP and try 5x with other hands
And, one limper ahead i will raise (x6)
And, two limpers ahead i will raise (x8)
And, three limpers ahead i will raise (10x)

I must admit that after playing zoom and then "go back to regular tables" its quit tempting to limp along with pp, and sc. Thinks go soo slowly what am jus to. I stryggle to play my basic strategy of
VPIP 13
PRF 10
What can i do for not be tempted? Play more tables or just have super disiplin and slap my self in the face when i conisder to limp along with sc in mp...

well tried a little zoom again, and i quit after these hand,

Seat 1: Russian ($2.33 in chips)
Seat 2: Random ($6.25 in chips)
Seat 3: Random ($2.01 in chips)
Seat 4: HERO ($2 in chips)
Seat 5: Random ($4.33 in chips)
Seat 6: Random ($2.05 in chips)
Seat 7: Random ($1.56 in chips)
Seat 8: Random ($6.59 in chips)
Seat 9: Random ($1.45 in chips)
Random: posts small blind $0.01
Random: posts big blind $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to HERO [Ad As]
HERO: raises $0.08 to $0.10
Random: folds
Random: folds
Random: folds
Random: folds
Random: folds
Russian: raises $0.20 to $0.30
Random: folds
Random: folds
HERO: calls $0.20

*** FLOP *** [9c 2h 5d]
HERO: bets $0.10
Russian raises $1.93 to $2.03 and is all-in
HERO: calls $1.60 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($0.33) returned to psgrig
*** TURN *** [9c 2h 5d] [6d]
*** RIVER *** [9c 2h 5d 6d] [Jd]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
HERO: shows [Ad As] (a pair of Aces)
Russian: shows [4h 3h] (a straight, Deuce to Six)

Yes Im bitching with my AA got cracked... Leasson learn
never trust an Russian from the button
allways 4bet AA,KK

You need to account for stats and each villains tendencies. Use pf/vpip to put villain on a range of hand and pay attention to how they play in order to understand what they are doing on particular boards. In the AA hand, against a fun player you can probably just 4bet AA instead of trapping with it. If you intend to trap with AA you need to be able to put villain on a range of hands and play accordingly. Against all of the limpers, they're donating money to you so try not to let bad beats affect your game. If everyone is limp calling so often, tighten your range and bet for value. It's pretty simple to play against these opponents as they rarely play back at you. And when they do, their cards are essentially face up.

If everyone is limping and is stationy there is nothing wrong with limping IP with spec hands to see a cheap flop and hope to hit. Obviously ISO raise decent hands for value pre. Postflop just valubet big when you have something and don't bluff if they don't fold (no need to autocbet air just bc you PFR'd). Don't be tempted to call light when you face postflop aggro - when passive players raise postflop, they can usually beat AA. EZ game.

Raise it up and try thin out the field and get a few of them to fold there donk hands like J8o Q5s 9Ko and get it to H.U or 2 player max with your good hands.

Make them pay to see a flop with donk hands, you will beat them long term when they call with spec hands vs you bigger hands/over cards to what they hold.

For the record, While playing regular tables i missed Zoom more and more
And what an comeback ! 31$ on 10 NL, 978 hand ! HEATER !
But ! Iv have never ever in my life folded KK pre against ha 10$ stack on 10NL
But for the first time iv seriosly consider it, everytime im up against AA..
Iv allways been that guy who laughs of those of have the story of folding KK pre.
So can someone of u tell me whats the "best" i can raise, 4Bet and then be """happy"""
To fold.

Ex.
Hero raise 0,30
Villian 3Bet up to 1$
Hero 4Bet up to ?--?

This is a very common situation that all u guys have been in !
I usually 4Bet shoves against anykind of Villian in every position, just because Iv have listining to everybody else that says, never fold KK pre.

4B shove vs a 100 BB stacked KK is pretty bad imo. But if you're that concerned about running into AA, why not just call the 3B? It keeps the villains range wider.

If you 4b shove KK there, it is no surprise that you only ever get called by AA. What else is realistically going to call a shove?

I would suggest 4betting much smaller. There is lots of info available online about 3betting / 4betting if you look for it.

Reason why i never call a 3bet with KK and AA, Iv seen people 3bet with 3-4s, and i know by my self, that iv 3bettet with 7-6s against the right Villian.

Yes Boston Matrix, i will look around for 4betting

If you've seen people 3B with 34s then you should have a 4B bluff range against them. In which case you should also always be 4B'ing KK against them. Neither of which should be to 100BB's.

PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 135.6 BB (VPIP: 4.17, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 24)
SB: 113.3 BB (VPIP: 4.55, PFR: 4.65, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 47)
Hero (BB): 215.2 BB
UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 10.14, PFR: 5.80, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 70)
UTG+1: 161.4 BB (VPIP: 20.97, PFR: 8.06, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 62)
MP: 364.5 BB (VPIP: 36.36, PFR: 18.18, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)
MP+1: 100.2 BB (VPIP: 21.05, PFR: 5.56, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 20)
MP+2: 92.9 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
CO: 264.8 BB (VPIP: 27.03, PFR: 10.81, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 38)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q A

fold, fold, MP raises to 3 BB, MP+1 raises to 5 BB, fold, CO calls 5 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 4 BB, MP calls 2 BB

Flop: (20.5 BB, 4 players) A 8 A
Hero checks, MP bets 9.8 BB, MP+1 calls 9.8 BB, fold, Hero calls 9.8 BB

Turn: (49.9 BB, 3 players) 2
Hero checks, MP checks, MP+1 checks

River: (49.9 BB, 3 players) 4
Hero checks, MP bets 23.8 BB, fold, Hero calls 23.8 BB

MP shows K T (One Pair, Aces)
(Pre 38%, Flop 0%, Turn 0%)
Hero shows Q A (Three of a Kind, Aces)
(Pre 62%, Flop 100%, Turn 100%)
Hero wins 93.1 BB

This hand was very akward from the very beginning, rasie and a min 3bet, and one limper, We got delt AQo and with that big preflopp pott i just wanted to se a "cheap" flopp, and 4betting here? imo not very smart here.

The flopp is monster and when the orginal pre flopp raiser donks, then the warning bell i in my head starts, AK,KK or maybe the min 3bet raisar have those kind of hands.
turn doesnt change som much, i flushdraw but im not worried about that, another flush card on the river but when both just check on turn i feel that, A -they have a monster, or B - screwing around.
on the river i want to raise but in order to potcontroll i prefer to check/call here, ???? should i raise here?
the original raisar bets again, min 3better folds, and now im pretty sure that he is bluffing, if Villian had AK,KK he would 4bet pre. Im just glad that he didnt shoved on the river.

so my dear m8.s did I play this pot very bad? im not proud of my passivness but in my head the whole pot was so strange from the beginning