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HAND #1
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Party Poker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
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ProfessorusK: $57.67 (115.3 bb)
Hein__Bloed: $63.42 (126.8 bb)
Hero: $50.23 (100.5 bb)
lucky13_od: $50 (100 bb)
tranmerefc: $57.64 (115.3 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is BB with 9 A
3 folds, Hein__Bloed raises to $2, Hero calls $1.50

Flop: ($4) 8 5 A (2 players)
Hein__Bloed bets $3, Hero calls $3

Turn: ($10) 9 (2 players)
Hein__Bloed bets $8, Hero raises to $25.12, Hein__Bloed raises to $58.42 and is all-in, Hero calls $20.11 and is all-in

River: ($100.46) 5 (2 players, 2 are all-in)

Results:

I find that facing a 3bet on the turn top 2 pair is not enough. But at the same time if you are raising the turn it seems as though your intention was to get it in here. I don't hate calling the shove, but I think a fold is superior.

Don't post the results in the thread, and stats and tendencies on the villain would be helpful This hand is extremely similar to a hand I posted a couple of days ago.

Our chief concerns on the turn are

A) Pot Control
B) Protecting our hand
C) Extracting value

In a situation where our hand could already be drawing super slim against a number of hands (sets, straights, flushes) and our villain has shown a line that's either a monster or a multi-street semi-bluff I think we're best served by flatting the turn and calling on any non-spade river.

If we raise the turn we're overriding pot control and we're going to be forced to call an all-in against a range that is sets/straights/flushes/combo draws and occasionally the naked Ks or Qs. We're rarely getting it in here against a hand that we crush unless our image is really bad or our villain is really bad.

Also, we could recoup a large amount of the value that we would get by raising the turn by picking off his bluffs on non-spade rivers and save ourselves half a stack when we are crushed.

The bottom line is that pot control should be your overriding concern against a normal player on a board like this.

this is good

there's no way i'm ever folding this blind v. blind on a river blank.

hard without reads on the villain. I def 3b pre.

as played, i think you played it fine. same result either way.

this is a cooler.

Played well imo.

Villain can have a lot of hands you're ahead of. AxKs, AxQs, and even AxJs will be happy to get all-in versus you, as will AK/AQ without the spade and A8/A5. Occasionnally you'll see flopped flushes, sets, and maybe even a straight... But even if you include those hands, your two pair is far enough ahead to get all the money in.

Calling turn is okay. I guess it's player dependent.

But, I like getting it in on turn. I think players will double barrel often with Asx or Ksx, or any Ax here. Prob double barrel other draws as well. But If he's tight then we can put him on overpairs or strong aces. Which we're far ahead of.

If we call, then we/he could freeze with a lot of river scare cards.

I don't think AK/AQ without a spade are dying to get the money in here. Even if we include AK/AQ with no spade and worse two pairs our equity here isn't great. I left some of the suited spade hands and tried to limit it to hands he would conceivably raise with in a blind vs. blind battle.

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Board: As 8s 5s 9d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 37.303% 37.30% 00.00% 1231 0.00 { Ac9c }
Hand 1: 62.697% 62.70% 00.00% 2069 0.00 { AdAh, 8c8d, 8c8h, 8d8h, 5c5d, 5c5h, 5d5h, AcKc, AdKd, AhKh, AcQc, AdQd, AhQh, KsQs, KsJs, KsTs, Ks9s, Ks7s, Ks6s, Ks4s, Ks3s, Ks2s, QsJs, QsTs, Qs9s, Qs7s, Qs6s, JsTs, Js9s, Js7s, Js6s, Ts9s, Ts7s, Ts6s, 9s7s, 9s6s, 8c5c, 8d5d, 8h5h, 76s, 7s4s, 6s4s, AcKd, AcKh, AcKs, AdKc, AdKh, AdKs, AhKc, AhKd, AhKs, AcQd, AcQh, AcQs, AdQc, AdQh, AdQs, AhQc, AhQd, AhQs, AcJs, AdJs, AhJs, 8c5d, 8c5h, 8d5c, 8d5h, 8h5c, 8h5d, 76o }

Fixed your Range... Get it in there FTW

Board: 9d As 5s 8s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 48.879% 48.88% 00.00% 1613 0.00 { Ac9c }
Hand 1: 51.121% 51.12% 00.00% 1687 0.00 { AA, 99-88, 55, AQs+, A8s, A5s, KsQs, KsJs, KsTs, Ks9s, Ks7s, QsJs, QsTs, Qs9s, Qs7s, JsTs, Js9s, Js7s, Ts9s, Ts7s, 98s, 9s7s, 85s, 7s6s, 7s4s, 6s4s, AQo+, A8o, A5o, 98o, 76o }

I think its a cooler, player dependent tho, its like less than 1% of hitting the flush right on the flop.

Maybe you are overepping your hand just a little bit on this turn by raising. Like people mentioned this is villain dependent, but against most players I don't see much calling you that you beat. Your raise does not leave villain any room to bluff over the top of you either.