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08-27-2009 , 09:07 AM
I just thought it might be cool to collect small tips from everyone conserning Heads up playing, preferably cash, but SNG is allowed too. It doesn't need to be applicable in every situation.



- If villain donks into you and the bottom card pairs on the turn or river and villain keeps betting you should be conserned that he has trips. This has been true more than once occasion.

- Bet check bet-line rarely works as a bluff against donkeys

- Min 4-bet from a passive player is mostly AA, KK

- Most people never fold top pair in any circumstances

- If you have just 3bet and won a pot without contest and the villain 3bets you the next hand it's most likely a reactive 3bet and you should 4bet as a bluff. Not a lot of people are on that higher level that they will reship you although for a thinking player it's fairly obvious what you are doing.
People at 100NL love to do the revenge 3bet, since they're pissed and want to get even.

- If you have 88+, AJ+ in the BB and villain opens for 3xBB with 40bb effective stacks, you can just shove and expect to show a profit. Most shortstacks will call you with anything.



Please continue.
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08-27-2009 , 09:09 AM
Fear the turn c/minraise?
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08-27-2009 , 09:13 AM
the c/miniraise is not always strong

mini 3 bets in my experiance are a very wide range
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08-27-2009 , 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by nathan
the c/miniraise is not always strong
nothing is always strong in poker, and this is a particularly player-dependent spot, but in my experience, the default value line for a lot of donks who flop the nuts oop is c/c flop, c/minraise turn, pot river.

edit: ooo, 1kth post
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08-27-2009 , 09:21 AM
If you get CR on the first paired dry board in a match it is usually a bluff and you can 4bet rebluff.

By the way it is soooo true what you said about the revenge 3bet. I have made so much money by rebluffing with a 4 bet here. Some players are good and they will shove in light because they know you are rebluffing but then I call with any Ax hands and win.
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08-27-2009 , 09:24 AM
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ooo, 1kth post
Congrats

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If you get CR on the first paired dry board in a match it is usually a bluff and you can 3bet rebluff.
FYp, and also very true.
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08-27-2009 , 09:38 AM
yeah yaqh wasnt saying anything about your post mate totaly agree with you there
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08-27-2009 , 10:01 AM
Hmm I'm not sure about the reactive 3 bet thing I feel its pretty obvious. Usually I like to tighten my 3 bet range when I've just been 3 bet in case they are thinking it is a reaction. Guess its just a levelling war.
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08-27-2009 , 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by LoveisHell
- If you have 88+, AJ+ in the BB and villain opens for 3xBB with 40bb effective stacks, you can just shove and expect to show a profit. Most shortstacks will call you with anything.
I agree with this in it's intended meaning but of course we have 88+ AJ+ for 40bbs we can do pretty much anything that doesn't include folding and expect to show a profit. I do think, however, that you absolutely should be fake tilt shoving these hands over a raise in a lot of situations against the morass of players. In general, don't get too caught up in trying to play "solid" 3x poker - there are times when crazy overbets are the most solid thing you can do.
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08-27-2009 , 10:11 AM
One of my favorite lines is to lead out from BB in limpd pots on paired boards, takes down pot about 80% of time
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08-27-2009 , 10:12 AM
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I agree with this in it's intended meaning but of course we have 88+ AJ+ for 40bbs we can do pretty much anything that doesn't include folding and expect to show a profit. I do think, however, that you absolutely should be fake tilt shoving these hands over a raise in a lot of situations against the morass of players. In general, don't get too caught up in trying to play "solid" 3x poker - there are times when crazy overbets are the most solid thing you can do.
Exactly. Of course we don't shove QQ+, but when I've shoved AJ for example I've gotten called by A6o or something similar a lot of the time.
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08-27-2009 , 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Underthegun7
If you get CR on the first paired dry board in a match it is usually a bluff and you can 4bet rebluff.

By the way it is soooo true what you said about the revenge 3bet. I have made so much money by rebluffing with a 4 bet here. Some players are good and they will shove in light because they know you are rebluffing but then I call with any Ax hands and win.
Are either one of these effective in husngs?
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08-27-2009 , 10:31 AM
when people min3bet. its a wide range dont 4bet bluff.. they call you. you can wide 4bet for vallue

(@ nl100)

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- If you have 88+, AJ+ in the BB and villain opens for 3xBB with 40bb effective stacks, you can just shove and expect to show a profit. Most shortstacks will call you with anything.
wow.. it watche nice. i will take that in my game. thank you .

thank you for this threat.
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08-27-2009 , 10:48 AM
Love the donk bet into a 3bet pot with a monster on flop, like betting 60 into pot of 280 when you got the nutz. Donk's just love to jam this thinking you missed or scared of the flop.
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08-27-2009 , 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by r1tony
Love the donk bet into a 3bet pot with a monster on flop, like betting 60 into pot of 280 when you got the nutz. Donk's just love to jam this thinking you missed or scared of the flop.
how can u donk in a 3bet pot HU? don't get it
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08-27-2009 , 12:17 PM
LOL @ this thread,seriously c'mon...
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08-27-2009 , 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by munchnchips
One of my favorite lines is to lead out from BB in limpd pots on paired boards, takes down pot about 80% of time
Yeah this is a good play against the fish I guess. But I think any good player will be veiwing this as weak and raising you until proven otherwise. If you are playing HU SNGs though I think this is a very nice play because Im going to play SNGs much more straight forward and give the pot to you.
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08-27-2009 , 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by TakeHerOnACruise
LOL @ this thread,seriously c'mon...
What’s up with this guy?
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08-27-2009 , 12:32 PM
if a fish check/calls flop and check/minraises turn they have the third nuts or better almost every time
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08-27-2009 , 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by gangip
if a fish check/calls flop and check/minraises turn they have the third nuts or better almost every time
True

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08-27-2009 , 02:51 PM
min raise is always the nuts whether it be on the flop, turn or river.
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08-27-2009 , 02:52 PM
Check raises on drawry boards where it doesnt make sense for them to have a strong top pair ie. A or K high normally are draws, especially if they check when the turn blanks.
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08-27-2009 , 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by glpmurray
min raise is always the nuts whether it be on the flop, turn or river.
lol no
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08-27-2009 , 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by eX3cution
lol no
This
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08-27-2009 , 04:13 PM
lol I just used the reactive 3 bet thing vs Blue_hurricane 200nl reg. I hadn't 3 bet yet he had been 3 betting a lot and I'd been folding. I 3 bet AJo after like his 3rd 3 bet and he shoved 100bbs with 63 off. Obv he's been reading this thread...
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