The first hand is standard, obviously you change it based on opponents tendencies but thats specific to the individual.

Also stop ruining a good thread.

Please continue these threads... very good read.

This is what I disagree with. You're trying to teach amateur players too much too fast. I think a large majority of these type of threads, where some poster makes a thread like this and everyone not as good as him goes "oh wow, you're good" doesn't help uNL at all. They're still going to have the same leaks, they're not going to know how to apply what you taught. Worse, most of the players making these posts are so into their own game that they don't really know the metagame of the micros; even 50 NL is a totally different beast than 25 and 10 NL.

I don't know why everyone wants to teach everything at once. It usually backfires. Pound the basics in, and then go from there. The vast majority of this forum, myself included, is not nearly good enough with the basics to ever add this profitably to their game. It takes time. Sure, you're peeling off the cover a little bit, but from our perspective can't you see why it really doesn't do anything?

I really do think a thread like this hurts more than it helps because so many people on this forum think they're way too good and think they're ready to apply this, and they will fail and spew spectacularly and may set themselves back for who knows how long.

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I am glad you have decided you know what is best for all us in this forum. You obviously have so much experience in helping people move from uNL to SSNL and beyond, I don't know how we have made it this far without you.
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What was discussed in this thread is no more dangerous than 3 betting light. Yes people are going to misapply what was said in this thread, but so what. If you try and play a hand like terp did and doesn't work out, post it. We can discuss it in the forum and all be better for it.

Kind of like how you misapplied what I said.

Fair enough. Explain it to me again in clearer terms, so I can learn where I went wrong.

"about this series: in my opinion, hand reading and pot control are the two most important skills in NLHE."

How much more basic do you need for it to be? This is an exercise in applying the most basic of concepts to a real situation. It really doesn't get any simpler and if you think this is too complicated, poker may not be for you.

Purposely generalizing to prove a point = not this.

Hopefully you can understand how saying something like that makes someone not really want to participate in a helpful discussion... Why is it the first thing anyone does is attack something they don't understand or agree with?

i could not have stated this better or more concisely and i won't tarnish it by adding anything else.

When you come into one of the best threads recently and start lecturing us on the type input we need from a good player, your going to be attacked. What do you expect to come from your post?

If you want to participate in the forums great, happy to have you. If you don't like these type of threads don't read them.

I didn't mean to sound like the advice in the thread isn't valuable or anything. I pretty much considered it was generally accepted that this was a good thread; I'm not disagreeing with that. I was just replying to dude's post.

Are we calling this river if the ace doesn't pair?

Seems like we are getting value bet more often than not if he bets on the river.

reread entire thread please

this is my last post in this thread

hmmm I have very limited internet as of right now but I'll try to reread. Skimmed through most of it.

Seriously, a very good read and lol at the terp haters.

I look forward to more of your wisdom tonight when we hit tha grind

i'm really looking to re-evaluate my game and I'm very thankful you are putting together a series!

There isn't much value in an RNG when you can use your cards to randomize your play A8-A3 on that board are all basically the same hands. So you could check back A5, A4, A3 ,and bet the others and you have an effective RNG.

Theoritically against excellent opposition (not found at microstakes) you could use an RNG to randomly check back/raise/call the nuts on the preflop, flop or turn. In practice,99% players including me have specific tendencies attached to their betting patterns that are exploitable so randomization is unnecessary.

Seriously, all the people who are complaining and criticizing need to gtfo

TY for this terp

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nh, thoughts on turn minraise?

If we assume UTG villain has Ax in his limp/call range (e.g. lots of 2NL and 5NL players) then seems to me we still check behind on flop. Call 3/4 psb on turn and fold river. If he checks river then we bet 1/2 psb and get lots of value from hands like 10J and 89 and even 34. We can safely fold to a river c/r.

Most of you guys at 25NL on up will think this is weak-tight and spewy and makes our hand face up and (insert your own cliche here) but seems to me this keeps the pot small and allows us to win the most and/or lose the least against his range.

bump for a new generation of uNL grinders

count me in

lying self glorifying freak

bump