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Good river fold? Medium overpair against SLP's river bet on one-overcard-board? - Help the noob Good river fold? Medium overpair against SLP's river bet on one-overcard-board? - Help the noob

04-04-2015 , 03:34 AM
I'm just starting out and would appreciate any help. Wondering if I should have called the river, checked the turn, or folded pre-flop in the first place. I don't want to be making big mistakes if this is one of them

No relevant history with the villain, who is 22/6/1.5 over 32 hands. His fold to flop c-bet was 67% over 3 hands, but I didn't look it up during the hand.

    Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 7 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #35793631

    Hero (BTN): $2.51 (125.5 bb)
    SB: $2.33 (116.5 bb)
    BB: $2 (100 bb)
    MP1: $0.65 (32.5 bb)
    MP2: $3.92 (196 bb)
    MP3: $2.41 (120.5 bb)
    CO: $1.90 (95 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BTN with J J
    3 folds, CO raises to $0.08, Hero raises to $0.20, 2 folds, CO calls $0.12

    Flop: ($0.43) 7 8 6 (2 players)
    CO checks, Hero bets $0.27, CO calls $0.27

    Turn: ($0.97) Q (2 players)
    CO checks, Hero bets $0.30, CO calls $0.30

    River: ($1.57) 5 (2 players)
    CO bets $1.13 and is all-in, Hero folds

    Spoiler:
    Results: $1.57 pot ($0.05 rake)
    Final Board: 7 8 6 Q 5
    Hero mucked J J and lost (-$0.77 net)
    CO mucked and won $1.52 ($0.75 net)



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    Good river fold? Medium overpair against SLP's river bet on one-overcard-board? - Help the noob Quote
    04-04-2015 , 05:24 AM
    Preflop is ok, I would flat call though. Hand plays nicely here and can stand a squeeze from the blind. It's not so great when we 3bet and get called (not terrible though).
    Flop looks good.
    Turn too small if we're betting, AsK or other spade has perfect odds to draw. Betting turn is probably ok vs fish. River fold looks good as played.
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    04-04-2015 , 08:11 AM
    Thanks for the reply. I do have a question about what you said about betting the turn. When I get called preflop and called on the flop, what justifies me betting on the turn? What should I be thinking is the reason to bet? Why not check? Hypthetically, let's say a player I'm playing against often ch/calls to the river, then bets huge on the river. I'll hardly ever have better than TPTK, so I'll be folding scared and losing big pots often, and winning just one big pot when I do call every once in a while. I probably won't even be able to spot that he's doing it if I'm playing many tables. What is this? I feel like I don't understand jack**** about the game, how should I be thinking about this?
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    04-04-2015 , 08:45 AM
    Can bet the turn for value from TT, 99, AsK. That's vs a tight range, vs a Fishier range there are more hands we can secure value against so more reason to bet. If we check it's to control the pot size vs a reg whose range is going to be stronger on the turn. However in this spot regs won't have a ton of qx, but can have 99, TT with or without spades so it's a thinner value bet but still a value bet i think after re reading hh. Vs the guy in question he looks quite bad so again reason to bet.

    As for the river, he is more likely to bluff a missed Ace spades due to our small turn bet but really he's rarely bluffing imo. Big river donk bets are so often for value u aren't being exploited folding top pair in these spots.
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    04-04-2015 , 12:52 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by tomj
    Can bet the turn for value from TT, 99, AsK. That's vs a tight range, vs a Fishier range there are more hands we can secure value against so more reason to bet. If we check it's to control the pot size vs a reg whose range is going to be stronger on the turn. However in this spot regs won't have a ton of qx, but can have 99, TT with or without spades so it's a thinner value bet but still a value bet i think after re reading hh. Vs the guy in question he looks quite bad so again reason to bet.

    As for the river, he is more likely to bluff a missed Ace spades due to our small turn bet but really he's rarely bluffing imo. Big river donk bets are so often for value u aren't being exploited folding top pair in these spots.
    Wow that really clears it up man, thanks. So the only major changes I could have made in this hand against this opponent are 1) flatting preflop with intention to call a possible squeeze from the blinds 2) betting more on the turn(2/3 pot?) with intention to fold to a raise, did I get that right?
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    04-04-2015 , 01:12 PM
    I agree with tom. I would probably check this turn but as played bet larger on turn. You can check back turn too if you don't think this guy is a big fish.

    I'm definitely folding river as well. Flush draws, straight draws both came in and there is a Q on the board. He knows this and yet he is donk-bombing the turn which means he can either beat the Q or he can even possibly have it. I think we are beat.

    As tom said, if V was a certified fish here, turn is ok to bet of course and larger bet than yours.
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    04-04-2015 , 02:36 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jarura
    Wow that really clears it up man, thanks. So the only major changes I could have made in this hand against this opponent are 1) flatting preflop with intention to call a possible squeeze from the blinds 2) betting more on the turn(2/3 pot?) with intention to fold to a raise, did I get that right?
    Yeah I think so. Hate to bet twice and fold to a raise in 3bet pot vs non full stack. But probably we'd be correct to do so in this spot.
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