Full Tilt Poker $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
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BB: $35.91
Hero (UTG): $61.32
UTG+1: $22.50
UTG+2: $38.19
MP1: $56.23
MP2: $10.25
CO: $27.38
BTN: $10.00
SB: $25.20

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is UTG with J J
Hero raises to $0.75, 1 fold, UTG+2 calls $0.75, 2 folds, CO calls $0.75, 3 folds

Flop: ($2.60) 7 Q 9 (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+2 bets $2.60, CO calls $2.60, Hero folds

Turn: ($7.80) 8 (2 players)
UTG+2 checks, CO checks

River: ($7.80) 4 (2 players)
UTG+2 bets $6, CO calls $6

This was rush poker and I had no stats on villains. Should this be a bet-fold or a check-call or check-fold considering that there are 2 preflop cold callers behind me?

I would definitely bet the flop. And if called by one Villain I would bet the turn again.

Seriously, you would bet the turn again on any card?

cbet flop and give up on turn/river since 2 ppl called you.

I think the way I was looking at it was I could not imagine that they would both fold on this flop, ever. So I figured that I shouldnt even bother betting the flop. Is that faulty thinking?

Villains could have plenty of drawing hands and you have a decent amount of equity with this flop...bet

What do I do on the turn if one or both calls the flop?

To answer your question: This is not a good flop to C-bet. You are OOP against two callers with a pretty wet flop.

There are heaps of Q's and combo draws in thier range. My line would be c/f

Agreed

Unless it is the Qh in which case I would claim a misdeal.

Not sure if it's right but I usually play it the same way as OP.

I'm probably c-betting this board - there is value to be had from 9x and TT and you protect your equity against K / Ax. Add another person to the mix and I like a check better.

As played, fold is the right play. You've reqlinquished control of the pot and, at least in this scenario, it seems very likely somebody had a Q.

Barry
EDIT: I said "definitely bet" at first, but that's not true. It would cause me some thought. The thing is it's Q 7 9 against knowns and I have two of the Js, thereby negating a positionally advantageous JT that can **** with me later on in the hand. Given position, I don't know about there being "heaps" of Qxs in villains hands. Yes, QA always, but KQo /QJo / QTo is variable because it's rush and all suiteds only have four combos (one which is a combo draw). But, it's a cheap c-bet with a strong hand that has some value against a position player than can definitely call with 98 / variable A9 depending on how loose / or TT - 88 if he's bad and go to showdown. So...I err on c-betting here.

Barry

Fair enough, what do we do on the turn when called by one or both of them, even if the turn is a blank?

It would be a bad flop to cbet if you had AK or something. You actually have a hand.

I think I play it as you did. Against one villain, I c/c, but after you check, one villain bets and another calls. Hard to believe that you're good.

Get stats. There's no reason not to pt3 and hold'em manager work with rush.

Ive got PT3 and yes it works with Rush, but I just started playing rush and dont have many stats on the players. What I have been wondering though is whether PT3 is actually recording all the action after I "quick fold" and immediately move to another table. Do you know if it still tracks the action? If it doesnt, then all mu rush stats will be skewed anyway.

I can't say for PT3, but HEM definitely does. I can go back and replay any hand that I quick-folded in its entirety. I'd have to think PT3 does too since you are still getting the hands from FTP.

I c/f this flop, I don't think anything good comes out of betting here apart from them both folding and I think that isn't going to happen enough for a bet to be profitable.

I look at these spots and think to myself - would I feel better having AK on a Queen high flop or JJ - and for some reason I prefer AK.

I dont think that I would c-bet either all the time.

Given you have offered no reads as its Rush. Having not played much Rush myself....I dont know the dynamics alot.

But I dont like Q high flops vs 2 flat callers in general.

I would prefer TT on Jxx
I would prefer 99 on Txx

I would prefer J2o over TT on Jxx.

I dont like one of the PF flats coming from EP.

My gut feeling is that on average ranges are tighter on Rush than normal - that makes me less inclined to c-bet.

I think that my expectation is that JJ would do alot better if this got checked thru.

That being said I dont much like c/f or c/c.

meh

I prolly c/f river - mainly because I dont like 8 turn as it connects too much to the under ranks.

You probably just misread the OP, hero c/f on the flop. Do you like a c-bet on this flop OOP against 2 preflop callers or c/f?