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10-07-2009 , 09:11 AM

KCrow

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Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $6(BB) Replayer
SB ($504)
BB ($900)
UTG ($587)
UTG+1 ($560)
CO ($1,128)
Hero ($597)

Dealt to Hero 5

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $18, fold, BB calls $12

FLOP ($39) 3

BB checks, Hero bets $28, BB calls $28

TURN ($95) 3

BB bets $66, Hero raises to $154, BB calls $84

RIVER ($403) 3

BB checks, Hero...........has a little under pot.

Villain is 22/9, I've not been involved in many hands with him. I raised the turn to get rid of all the mid PP's in his range.

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10-07-2009 , 09:19 AM

planB_

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Anyone likes a $115 or something?

His turnbetting-range is something like quads/FHs and stuff and also hands that floated the flop, like KQss, A4ss and maybe 54 also.. I think he will fold all of the drawish hands and c/c or c/r stuff that won't fold to a shove either.
I also doubt he ever bluff c/raises you there with busted draws as you look sick strong

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10-07-2009 , 09:27 AM

snakekilla88

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dont think turn is great. river i give up probably!

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10-07-2009 , 10:28 AM

KCrow

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Originally Posted by snakekilla88

dont think turn is great. river i give up probably!

I was going to ask about that, I often see people do this with weak made hands trying to get to showdown, I've got reasonable equity against Jx if he does call and I'd expect him to fold a fair amount of the time.

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10-07-2009 , 11:10 AM

craiggerz

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Originally Posted by KCrow

I was going to ask about that, I often see people do this with weak made hands trying to get to showdown.

Have you seen villain do it?

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10-07-2009 , 11:19 AM

CopTHIS

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meh, I'd probably shove unless I was playing like a girl to avoid variance. Some 22/9 types are actually reasonably decent, but most are a bit iffy and often tend to call small raises almost on general principal, hoping for some help next card or that you back off.

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10-07-2009 , 11:53 AM

ATOTHEC101

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Whats the guy's wtd %? If it's lowish i.e under 26 % I'm defff betting most of it on this river.

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10-07-2009 , 11:55 AM

KCrow

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Originally Posted by craiggerz

Have you seen villain do it?

Nope - which is why I'm not 100% on my turn play. Do you fold to the donk bet or call and see what the river brings?

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10-07-2009 , 11:56 AM

pologuy64

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Originally Posted by planB_

Anyone likes a $115 or something?

You must have watched Jeff Shulmans value bluff last night on the WSOP 09 boardcast. I don't like 115$ He is calling that with his whole range. It will never work.

Also, i think you should give up like a girl.

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10-07-2009 , 02:32 PM

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no way Im checking this back, weakest hand you can have on the river, if he wants to call JT good for him..

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10-07-2009 , 04:05 PM

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AP_Villain

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yeah no **** its the weakest hand you can have

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10-07-2009 , 04:36 PM

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MasterLJ

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I'm not a huge fan of turn either but it can make sense. I think shoving is way better than giving up here.

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10-07-2009 , 04:40 PM

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id shove vs a 22/9, and give up vs a true fish

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10-07-2009 , 04:55 PM

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dmkai3

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Originally Posted by planB_

...like a female monkey

Not sure how I feel about the turn. I would be looking for a lot more info from the stats of villain if you have a decent sample with him. As played you gotta shove the river. PlanB just needling you I think your idea has merit but it doesn't get a hand like JT to fold.

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10-07-2009 , 05:11 PM

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LOL_Colij

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Originally Posted by MasterLJ

I'm not a huge fan of turn either but it can make sense. I think shoving is way better than giving up here.

Turn seems like terribad, curious to what case you think this would make sense... maybe if he'll donk fold like 66? idkkk

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10-07-2009 , 05:15 PM

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Keyser112

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check turn check river

or

bet turn bet river

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10-07-2009 , 05:48 PM

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luegofuego

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shove like a monkey, sorry this was one of the <50% of the time he calls down

love the thread title btw

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10-07-2009 , 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by pologuy64

You must have watched Jeff Shulmans value bluff last night on the WSOP 09 boardcast. I don't like 115$ He is calling that with his whole range. It will never work.

Ya, he has incredible odds. I don't really like this gay bet at all here.

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Originally Posted by lnternet

no way Im checking this back, weakest hand you can have on the river, if he wants to call JT good for him..

this. I'm shipping it in for the win! How would you play a monster on this board? I'd often take the same line you did including a river ship.

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10-07-2009 , 07:43 PM

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zedisol

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you are beat here more often than not, so i would fold

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10-07-2009 , 07:44 PM

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zedisol

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i'd played this differently if i were you though and get more aggressive on the turn

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10-07-2009 , 07:46 PM

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dmkai3

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^ wat

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10-07-2009 , 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by zedisol

i'd played this differently if i were you though and get more aggressive on the turn

qft

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10-07-2009 , 09:04 PM

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digeri

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Is villain a fish? Fishy ain't folding any made hand, but if you bet like 1/4 pot he won't call with a draw.

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10-07-2009 , 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by zedisol

you are beat here more often than not, so i would fold

lolol

without history, i would check and give up (not fold lol)!!
He plays passive and called you on the turn, that could mean any sort of draw/semi made hand ( think pre and post it could be always JT+ in his range also A2xx on the turn since it is a dry board, maybe even A4ss, A5ss ).

But if i would have any fishy smell on him i would jam.

srry bro,its too soon to make that decision, hes got some sort of weakness but if improoved he wont give up + it would cost us too much to look him up.
maybe a 3/4 pot size bet to get the image straight ( if you can afford it ) you tryed a good bluff on the turn, it didnt worked out. save yourself some money

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10-07-2009 , 10:02 PM

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BouncinRound

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Originally Posted by zedisol

you are beat here more often than not, so i would fold

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Originally Posted by zedisol

i'd played this differently if i were you though and get more aggressive on the turn

awesome, just awesome.

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