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12-16-2020 , 10:03 AM
Back playing for the first time in months. It feels like I got stuffed into a locker on this one.

Both of us have ~$25 NL ($25 NL). The BB is from Russia and could be a bot (in all seriousness). We are playing on ACR.

Folds to me in the SB and I raise to $0.70 with two red 9s. BB 3 bets to $2.25. I call(?). This is the first 3 bet in his 2 orbits at the table.

Flop : 7 7 2 (rainbow)

I check, BB bets $2.10, I call(?)

Turn : 3 (completes rainbow)

I check, BB bets $4.25, I call (?)

River : Q

I check, BB pushes for $16+, hero?

Where did I screw this up? Should this have been an auto 4 bet right from the top?
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12-16-2020 , 10:05 AM
Call pre is standar. Check-call flop, check-call turn, check-fold river.
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12-16-2020 , 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Elsa Capunta
Call pre is standar. Check-call flop, check-call turn, check-fold river.
That's the line I took. I think the turn is interesting. If we are calling the turn and the river is a blank (Q may or may not be a blank here) shouldn't we be calling off the river or just folding turn?
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12-16-2020 , 10:19 AM
Folding turn is too weak, otr it could have gone check/check and you win the pot. Its likely he has bigger pocket pair than yours, some KQ or a flush. He has some bluffs of course, but sometimes they will get them trought as so do we, board didnt help us, we are in range disadvantage.
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12-16-2020 , 10:31 AM
need the spr
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12-16-2020 , 10:37 AM
Why do you think he's a bot?
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12-16-2020 , 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by DustyRugs
Why do you think he's a bot?
He just mad, fishes tend to think the game is rigged agains them and eveyone is a bot.
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12-16-2020 , 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by DustyRugs
Why do you think he's a bot?
He's from Russian Federation, had weird, quick bet timing and there are numerous threads across this forum discussing serious Russian bot issues on ACR.
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12-16-2020 , 01:10 PM
Been playing 25nl on ACR for the last 3 weeks and I am pretty confident that the Russian players are not bots. Most of them have weak reg stats like 26/19/6 and that alone probably tells that they are not crushing and at this rake and stake, I don't think anyone who bothers investing/risking with botting with something like $750 bankroll per account for 2bb/100.

Few of them have rather unique leaks as well, like one in particular likes to trap a lot and in the wrong spots so its really evident when he has a monster.
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12-16-2020 , 01:44 PM
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Most of them have weak reg stats like 26/19/6 and that alone probably tells that they are not crushing and at this rake
6% 3bet is too low but 26/19 vpiv/pfr seems pretty standard to me. Are those really strong indicator of a weak reg?

I only ask because my stats at NL25 are 25.5/18.5/9.5. Am I leaking because of the rake?
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12-16-2020 , 02:10 PM
Players with big gap in their vpip/pfr tend to call too wide from late positions, to me it's a sign that they are not playing proper preflop in general. Most preflop ranges don't have a calling range for CO/MP vs EP open, its 3bet or fold. Some people even elect not having a calling range on the button and 3bet or fold instead.

Calling hands like QJo or A9o from btn vs mp open is... bad.
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12-16-2020 , 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Wolfram
6% 3bet is too low but 26/19 vpiv/pfr seems pretty standard to me. Are those really strong indicator of a weak reg?

I only ask because my stats at NL25 are 25.5/18.5/9.5. Am I leaking because of the rake?
Yeah I'd label 26/19 a weak reg/regfish. VPIP/PFR should be closer together. Something like 24/22/12 is good.
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12-16-2020 , 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Wolfram
6% 3bet is too low but 26/19 vpiv/pfr seems pretty standard to me. Are those really strong indicator of a weak reg?

I only ask because my stats at NL25 are 25.5/18.5/9.5. Am I leaking because of the rake?
Do you flat a lot from the blinds? I'm 23/20/12 so semi-fish lol.
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12-16-2020 , 06:58 PM
Wait, let's go flat 3bet pre, check/call flop, CRAI turn, the reason being I think I have the best hand on turn.

AP, I don't know if I can fold river, tbh.
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12-16-2020 , 08:44 PM
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Do you flat a lot from the blinds? I'm 23/20/12 so semi-fish lol.
I was doing that yes. I was following a chart that had a balanced mix of limping, calling and raising when folded to in the small blind. It then has a balance of fold, call or raise.

I have been changing it up recently by tigthening up and just raising my whole range in the SB. I just got tired of going for limp/reraise with the correct hands and villains had just clicked the check/fold to any button. After simplifying the strat I'm closer to 24/20 now. I still defend BB mostly according to the chart, which is quite wide.

I think the limping sb strat is maybe better in more competitive games where people know how to defend their BB. And the rake is a huge factor, since seeing a flop guarantees rake, right?

Last edited by Wolfram; 12-16-2020 at 08:50 PM.
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