We always love hitting our sets, except for the times we get set over setted, or villain draws out on us.

Assuming we have only 100bbs to start with, in a raises, there will be about say 8bbs in the pot, and 95 or so behind, ie a SPR of 12 or so.

Am I to assume that we (virtually) always happily go broke with our sets on the flop + vast majority of the time on the turn?

Especially, if say the top card is a 10 or so, there are numerous overpairs that villain will get it in worse than us, and if there is an A of K on the board, we can happily get it in versus say top 2 pair.

Deeper, versus nits shoving on us over large bets, i i could possibly see us getting away.

Any thoughts?

Flop is happy all-in. If set over set, so be it.
Turn can be tricky with completed flushes and straights.
What annoys me in when one flops top set on dry board, slow-plays it only to allow me to hit a lower set.
Are nits (or other players) shoving large bets? More often than not it means flush draws.

Deep stack is another story..

dont fold sets

Post it in BBV.

why would u ever fold a set with 100bb?

Thanks for the reply guys, as you have prolly guessed, my br has been whacked many many bi recently. Funny thing is, I only ever (vaugely) thought about folding two of them. BOth were when i turned a set, and the villain had slowplayed his one from the flop.

Another thing i would like to think about is, (once again, 100bbs stack) villain raises say in ep to 3bb, we are on the button/co with a small/med pair.

According to harrington, we fold 22-66, call 77-jj, and RR qq+

I have started doing this, whereas previously i would always call my 22, 44 etc, and i feel that it is good to dump these smaller pairs.

Thoughts on dumping the littlies?

Imo, it depends much on the chances of a coming squeeze (and you with no plan), how original raiser plays flops (how much you'll be able to steal hands from him), and game flow. If there is no particular squeeze threat, game flow is normal and with no reads or stats on villain, my default would be calling 22-66 with position.

Its a bad idea to dump 22-66 esp. from the btn. Try not to be so results oriented when playing poker.

am i getting leveled?

lol

looks like a sound strategy

Your bankroll didn't get whacked because of set over sets (and if it did then it was way way too small). Set over sets are long-term 0 EV spots, just like KK vs AA PF spots.

Also, I haven't read his book, but Harrington seems to have no clue.

I haven't read Harrington, but I don't know how you make a judgment on this issue without taking into consideration who is playing from up front. Does ep player give up easily if you float, stack off readily with an overpair, etc. All that stuff matters, and is far more important than minimizing the risk of set over set with tiny pairs.

Are there seriously people folding 22-66 on the button to a UTG opening?

Intersting point about active squeezers:
A lot of times you get even the right odds to call a squeeze when UTG calls and both are +100BB. If i remember correctly, harrington talks about 25 times the stack behind. When in nl400 utg opens 14, we at button call with 22, BB squeezes to 60, UTG calls, we pay 46 for a 180 pot. Assume BB and UTG have both 350 left, there is 880 potential for a payment of 46. which is around 18 times money behind. We do have more chance to get payed off if we hit against overpairs aggressively shoving which makes it imo ok. Please discuss when posters think this is a big flaw in my game/strategy.


Just against the UTG opener:
The point is that i do not need to hit a set to win. UTG opens 3.5bb, i call 22 on the button. Flop 478ss, UTG cbets, I raise, UTG folds. Or I do the floating thing and take it down on the turn. Kinda standard line at the midstakes imo.

I do fold or 3bet 22-66 when <130BB in the blinds.

These are not the hands that define a winrate.

TBH, I am more inclined to fold 22 on the button if everyone is 600BB deep.

to me, it happens about every 2-4k hands. Unless we are talking about September when it happened every 1k hands. FKN RIDIC. UNDOOMSWITCH ME PLZ FTP

stop reading books OP. this talk of SPRs and harrington's preflop pocket pair rules is gonna make u dumber.

msnl has gone to ****

That was this past October for me. Only played 100 hrs at commerce for about 3500 hands and got set/seted 5 times.

November hasn't started out too good in these regards either, as I got two outted on the river last night after getting it in on the flop with top set in a 2600 pot

anyone shocked that OP has this may posts? I think it's a level

I don't think he was advocating folding sets when 100 bbs deep, just bringing up the topic of if it is ever justifiable, and if so, what's the cutoff? You guys are too hard on people that are running bad. It's natural to want to search for anything you could be doing even slightly different when you're running like absolute ****. If it hasn't happened to you yet, trust me, it's coming. There comes times where you'll run worse than you ever thought was possible, and when that time comes around again it will seem just as incredible. "That's poker."

OP, sets aren't your problem, it's most likely just variance. If there is a leak it's probably elsewhere, as setmining is pretty marginal and getting set over setted is not going to be a large determining factor in your overall win rate.

He didn't ask, but I'm assuming he was looking to know when to not fistpump.

300bb, 550bb?

ROFL, level?

What's the crucial difference between 66 and 77.

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folding any pair on the button to a single raise 100bb deep wud be a leak, i rr or call, also i virtually always go bust if i flop or turn a set to a better hand up to 150BB-ish but thats in part due to that i always quickly develop a lag rep. shortly after joining a table. hope i helped.