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04-25-2008 , 05:07 PM

Ryanb9

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villain is 18/13/8 over 1.4k

so im working on my lines in these spots, i put him on 77,99,TT, maybe 55.. and def a few worse jacks than mine.

How is this line for value towning? what about the river bet?

Full Tilt Poker $2/$4 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked

UTG: $809.00
Hero (MP): $477.50
CO: $464.65
BTN: $660.00
SB: $390.00
BB: $412.60

Pre Flop: Hero is MP with A

1 fold, Hero raises to $14, CO calls $14, 3 folds

Flop: ($34.00) 8

(2 players)
Hero bets $24, CO calls $24

Turn: ($82.00) 3

(2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $60, Hero calls $60

River: ($202.00) 3

(2 players)
Hero bets $60, CO calls $60

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04-25-2008 , 05:12 PM

iSTRONG

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I prefer c/r ai. I don't think he calls underpairs. he'll call a J. but if you check he's gonna 1) bluff a fair bit, 2)value bet weaker jacks anyways (maybe even as low as 99-TT) 3) it will allow u to be balance when u got an underpair (so you don't get bluffed out every time you check twice after c-betting)

I find it always a bit weird when you give up initiative and the suddenly wake up on a later street without anything having really changed on the board. I mean, what are you repping?

btw, are you calling a push? I'm assuming you are...

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04-25-2008 , 05:15 PM

lil feller

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Looks pretty good to me. If you're read is right on his range i don't think he calls much more then this...unless he sees you as splashy.

lf

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04-25-2008 , 05:16 PM

Ryanb9

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Originally Posted by iSTRONG

I find it always a bit weird when you give up initiative and the suddenly wake up on a later street without anything having really changed on the board. I mean, what are you repping?

exactly, which is why i think i can get paied off here like every time by his entire range. but i like your idea of balancing my range...

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04-25-2008 , 05:17 PM

lil feller

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Originally Posted by iSTRONG

Do you think this opponent bets any of the hands you listed? Maybe i'm underestimating his AF, but if hero checks the river here, i'd expect most hands with SD value to check behind.

lf

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04-25-2008 , 05:20 PM

Ryanb9

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Originally Posted by lil feller

Do you think this opponent bets any of the hands you listed? Maybe i'm underestimating his AF, but if hero checks the river here, i'd expect most hands with SD value to check behind.

lf

yeah i would too.

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04-25-2008 , 05:33 PM

philipsaurus

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judging from your last 3 threads, i think you are ****** atrocious at poker.

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04-25-2008 , 05:36 PM

Ryanb9

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Originally Posted by philipsaurus

judging from your last 3 threads, i think you are ****** atrocious at poker.

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04-25-2008 , 05:50 PM

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based on the range you put him on you should just value bet the turn. And then either v-bet the river if he's a SD monkey or go for the c/r-ai if he likes to v-bet thin.

I think checking this turn is bad if you give him that range since he isn't going to fold and you are more likely to look like you are double-barreling. I would only be checking this turn if I expected villain to be floating me a lot with air or slowplaying sets and was trying to induce bluffs or control the pot size. Since your read doesn't suggest that we might as well fire again for value.

if I took your line I would bet more on the river. At least 80-90.

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04-25-2008 , 06:09 PM

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meatyfish

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This is not valuetown... it's more like you don't know what you're doing.

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04-25-2008 , 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by meatyfish

This is not valuetown... it's more like you don't know what you're doing.

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04-25-2008 , 06:15 PM

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iSTRONG

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Originally Posted by Ryanb9

exactly, which is why i think i can get paied off here like every time by his entire range. but i like your idea of balancing my range...

n. the problem is that you can't have a weak hand there with your line. It makes no sense. it looks like exactly what it is. you should want your line to rep a wide range of which your hand is actually the top of. Instead you end up choosing a line which narrows your range and of which your hand is the mid-bottom of.

Also, getting paid $60 in a $200 pot here against TT-99 is not an achievement. Add to this that sometimes you will not get paid off at all. You are much better off checking and letting him bet and showing up with a c/r ai, which actually might get paid of by a wide range because your line becomes polarised.

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04-25-2008 , 06:16 PM

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TheLeakyFaucet

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wtf is going on in this hand?

Just triple barrel that ****

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04-25-2008 , 06:18 PM

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Ryanb9

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Originally Posted by iSTRONG

yeah thanks, i see how that makes sense. So ... at 400nl, do i really need to worry about that? so c/c this river?

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04-25-2008 , 06:21 PM

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there are 2 line you can take here.

3-barrel which is the correct line if you have an aggressive image and you get called down light.

or c-bet; c/c ; c/r if you think he floats OR v-bets light.

anything else is just bad poker imo.

check-calling river can be fine if you got a read that he sometimes slowplays AA-JJ preflop or that he slowplays his sets on drawy boards.

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05-07-2008 , 03:29 AM

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Gr8erThanGr8

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yeah, you definitely need to be firing at the flop and turn with AJ being near the top of your range here. there are too many draws that you want to be getting value out of here and also hands like 1010 that'll pay you off. on the river i like either betting something really small to make him come over the top with a missed flush draw or just c/c'ing on the river to get value from bluffs.

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05-07-2008 , 03:53 AM

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terp

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that you got paid off here is more a reflection of your opponent's being lazy than anything....

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05-07-2008 , 04:25 AM

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wtf is with the turn. bet 135 or something no way to put you on a real hand here anyway.

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05-07-2008 , 04:46 AM

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FionnMac

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omg

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05-07-2008 , 06:34 AM

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JackAll

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Isn't this the most basic b/f turn b/f river.

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05-07-2008 , 10:50 AM

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DnBKid

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I swear you couldnt have got less value out of this if you tried.

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05-07-2008 , 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by philipsaurus

judging from your last 3 threads, i think you are ****** atrocious at poker.

yep...BET THE TURN

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05-07-2008 , 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by philipsaurus

judging from your last 3 threads, i think you are ****** atrocious at poker.

finally the post this thread deserved

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05-07-2008 , 11:42 AM

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DrazzicEhv

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Indeed, b/f turn & river... I don't see any reasons why you should check there, the board is drawy and he can pay you off with a lot of hands.

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05-07-2008 , 04:14 PM

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full pot river would like fos thats why that line would be best here

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