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05-01-2008 , 04:28 PM

Ryanb9

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villain is 22/19/14

Full Tilt Poker $2/$4 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked

Hero (BTN): $400.00
SB: $664.50
BB: $483.30
UTG: $400.00
CO: $404.00

Pre Flop: Hero is BTN with 9

2 folds, Hero raises to $12, SB calls $10, BB calls $8

Flop: ($36.00) J

(3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $24, SB raises to $78, BB folds, Hero raises to $196, w/ 200 behind planning on calling a shove....

is that okay?

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05-01-2008 , 04:36 PM

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Gross.

You realize even if he's on a draw your equity is generally a coinflip right? It's also multiway so this is pretty rarely a pure bluff.

Check through the flop and reevaluate on the turn. As played this is a standard flop fold.

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05-01-2008 , 04:41 PM

Ryanb9

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imo he has J9s, 66, draw, or air.

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05-01-2008 , 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryanb9

imo he has J9s, 66, draw, or air.

Throw in the one combo of 99 in there too, but yeah that's about right. Given that it's multiway on a drawy board that you still c-bet into I highly discount the pure air range since you're already showing some decent strength. The remaining range doesn't bode well enough to be willing to put in another $380 for the current $140-ish in the pot since almost every draw has at least 11-12 outs and you have nil equity vs all of his made hands.

Edit: At work so I can't do it, but would love to see a Pokerstove for this.

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05-01-2008 , 04:58 PM

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Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

28,710 games 0.006 secs 4,785,000 games/sec

Board: 9s 6c Jc
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 32.149% 31.85% 00.30% 9143 87.00 { Qd9h }
Hand 1: 67.851% 67.55% 00.30% 19393 87.00 { 99, 66, AJs, AcTc, KcQc, KcTc, QTs, J9s, Tc9c, 9c8c, 87s, AJo }

Last edited by ImRich; 05-01-2008 at 05:00 PM. Reason: nm

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05-01-2008 , 05:00 PM

SkeetyMcdoogle

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check this through dog

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05-01-2008 , 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ImRich

Forgot T8 so he'll have a little more equity from that coinflip but this looks about right.

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05-01-2008 , 05:06 PM

Ryanb9

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figured 99 would 3bet me all day pre...

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05-01-2008 , 05:11 PM

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figured 99 would 3bet me all day pre...

yeah you didnt give any reads/history in BTN/SB,BB confrontations, i would expect many players to three-bet a lot of these hands preflop. but, people mix it up so just b/c he didnt three bet pre doest mean these hands arent in his range once he c/r the flop. edit: it seemed like you were suggesting that since he didnt three bet there was more air/bluffs in his range and i dont necessarily think that is the case.

we could certainly toss in all combos of AcXc and even a little air, but i think still think at BEST you will be a 60/40 dog and much worse if the money goes in.

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05-01-2008 , 05:12 PM

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figured 99 would 3bet me all day pre...

Given how aggro these BTN vs. blinds situations have gotten, I think a lot of regs are starting to polarize their range a bit more for 3betting OOP, which likely includes cold calling 99 a reasonable % of the time.

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05-01-2008 , 05:14 PM

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are all his baby draws... like 45cc or somthing, u think he's going w/ all those?

tkx though, def a check back i see now

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