PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players

BTN: 116.3 BB
Hero (SB): 135 BB
BB: 100 BB
UTG: 93.3 BB
MP: 124.7 BB
CO: 99 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q Q

fold, fold, CO raises to 3 BB, BTN calls 3 BB, Hero raises to 14 BB, fold, CO calls 11 BB, BTN raises to 116.3 BB and is all-in, fold, Hero???

OR is 36/25/13 in 50 Hands, seems like a Fish.
BTN Villain is 14/8/2 nit in 550 hands. I'm pretty sure his call vs fish then shove range is just AA, what do you guys think?

Easy fold vs the nitregfish thing special imo. Pretty much always AA, maybe some KK in there. Standard fish will take this line with a much wider range, like say 77+,AT+,KQ, but someone who is this absurdly nitty is quite unlikely to have worse than QQ

I don't even think he has KK here. He has 0 4bets in the 500 recorded hands.
Don't see much shoving of AT+ or KQ from the regular fish, but definitly agree with the 77+ part of their range.

I know it's fast fold, but: do you think they might see you or BB as squeeze happy and then trap with AA by just calling the open? Otherwise I would not exclude AK, TT, JJ from their range which they incorrectly fail to 3bet preflop due to them being too tight and then "panic shove" once the pot gets very big and they realize they can't just call with 2 other players in the hand.

^^

This can easily calm down into a decent reg range, I would not be labeling this player a fish after 50 hands imo (noticing my stats for session and how they evolve over sessions, I have had 200 hand samples that I look like a complete fish on that table, on 3 other tables I will have my standard freqs though so HUD can be wildly volatile

I have "sub-fish" categories so I would end up labeling as semi-fish which is usually just a sign that they are not brainless 35/4/0 type players and have some thoughts about ranges and raises and such

And for what it's worth, I don't really classify regs as just solid stats/winning players. Plenty of fish-type regs who have good stats but are just horrible post flop. Or bleeding winrate but masked by decent PF %'s type players

I'm not a sizing expert by any means, but I think 14bb might be a little small with 3x open and call. I'm not sure how big is too big but I default vs 3x to 15bb for sqz (not sure how much this matters at all)

Doesn't make much sense for a nit to flat a raise after being dealt the very hand they have been waiting on for the last hour.

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I'm not folding this, esp. with so much dead money. I think I'd call down to JJ.

If that's your read, then fold.

This is 100% a thing, fishy nit players love "trapping." It's especially obvious if they snap jam. I wouldn't expect standard nitregs to take this line, but the fishier ones (like a 14/8 player) will definitely do stuff like this

See it everyday

Huh, fair enough! I'm playing live right now and to your point the biggest nits love to limp reraise UTG (full ring) so I guess this could be an equivalent. OP has a large enough sample size for villain to confidently be called a nit.

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there is no right answer to this, only u were at the table at that point of time. go with your read and make peace with it.

I used to always call in fear of exactly that happening, but 9/10 times it AA at 10NL if it's a nit fish. Loose fish definitely easy call with TT+.


I agree with that. It also was a pretty fast jam, didn't seem like he was surprised and had to rethink what he wanted to do.


Totally agree, just talking about stats so far.


Afterwards I also thought 15 would've been better, but looked it up on GTOW and it uses 14 too.



The extra call definitely made me want to call a lot more but I think I made the right choice.