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10-11-2013 , 01:57 PM

Yoshimiii

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Villain is good: 25/22/3.8
Hand sample: 135

His KX range is very very narrow, only hand I see him XC flop with is AK.

Call or fold?

[converted_hand][hand_history]Party, $0.25/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #19934701

MP: $52.63 (210.5 bb)
BB: $11.87 (47.5 bb)
BTN: $36.57 (146.3 bb)
Hero (CO): $51.75 (207 bb)
SB: $50 (200 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q

MP raises to $1.50, Hero calls $1.50, 3 folds

Flop: ($3.75) T

(2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $1.85, MP calls $1.85

Turn: ($7.45) K

(2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $4.60, MP calls $4.60

River: ($16.65) T

(2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $9.20, MP raises to $44.68, Hero ...

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10-11-2013 , 02:00 PM

darthwager

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Um ya it's a call yes your chopping some time but he does have bluffs and how many tens does he open mid pos and check call that bored

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10-11-2013 , 02:06 PM

ItsCrux

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I would call this. There's a good chance that it will be a split pot, but the only way he really beats you is if he has a T. And thats only a chance of 1/45.

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10-11-2013 , 02:35 PM

Yoshimiii

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Originally Posted by darthwager

Um ya it's a call yes your chopping some time but he does have bluffs and how many tens does he open mid pos and check call that bored

I don't think he has any bluffs in his range here, all draws likely bet the flop.

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10-11-2013 , 02:51 PM

CCM

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I like the fold. Also you can see AA here as well as Tx

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10-11-2013 , 02:59 PM

randomguye

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Kinda irritating spot. Imo the fold is totally fine there. Hes big bet sizing on river fits perfectly for AA/KK as he figured out you have the king most likely there and good spot to get big value from you.

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10-11-2013 , 06:15 PM

EC2200

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And this folks is why you 3 bet or fold KQo pre.

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10-11-2013 , 06:16 PM

CCM

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Originally Posted by EC2200

And this folks is why you 3 bet or fold KQo pre.

No.

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10-11-2013 , 06:28 PM

Cantsleep

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imo the question is if he ever plays ak this way than we can consider calling

oh already stated sry

but overall im leaning to folding

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10-11-2013 , 06:39 PM

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SchDonk

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ez fold.

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10-11-2013 , 06:40 PM

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SchDonk

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Originally Posted by EC2200

And this folks is why you 3 bet or fold KQo pre.

Not quite.

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10-11-2013 , 09:39 PM

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EC2200

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Well i'm going to have to disagree. I think a flat is terrible. edit: In these positions.

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10-11-2013 , 10:09 PM

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verneer

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Zeebo. This should be a fold that you can make. Think of what hands that the villain does this with for (A) Value and (B) Bluff.

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10-14-2013 , 08:32 PM

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rakeme

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Originally Posted by EC2200

And this folks is why you 3 bet or fold KQo pre.

Why would you want to 3bet KQ here? We would fold out all Qx and Kx hands that we dominate. Calling pre is good.

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10-14-2013 , 08:40 PM

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bored to death

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Originally Posted by EC2200

And this folks is why you 3 bet or fold KQo pre.

fold KQ ip ? its not always strong enough to 3bet for value but far to strong to fold ip.

he has AA Tx and the rest is split pots, also 200bb deep and your calling off another 130bb-150bb ? to drunk for math. But seems like a fold to me.

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10-14-2013 , 09:09 PM

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Winged Kuriboh

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Originally Posted by EC2200

And this folks is why you 3 bet or fold KQo pre.

lol

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10-14-2013 , 09:27 PM

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JesusEatsCheese

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Originally Posted by CCM

No.

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Originally Posted by SchDonk

Not quite.

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Originally Posted by Winged Kuriboh

lol

3betting pre is more + ev than flatting

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10-14-2013 , 09:54 PM

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SchDonk

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csb.
thanks for clearing that up.

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10-14-2013 , 09:58 PM

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rakeme

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Originally Posted by JesusEatsCheese

3betting pre is more + ev than flatting

Why? Villain is good and likely not calling our 3bet with worse and there's no need to 3bet as a bluff here.

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10-14-2013 , 10:00 PM

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bored to death

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Originally Posted by rakeme

Why?

its a standard flat ip vs mp tbh , very thin to 3bet it for value.

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10-14-2013 , 10:05 PM

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SchDonk

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Originally Posted by bored to death

its a standard flat ip vs mp tbh , very thin to 3bet it for value.

lol it's utter bs to 3bet it for value.

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10-14-2013 , 10:07 PM

#22

bored to death

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Originally Posted by SchDonk

lol it's utter bs to 3bet it for value.

kind of what i was saying i just wasnt so harsh.

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10-14-2013 , 10:11 PM

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SchDonk

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10-15-2013 , 01:50 AM

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EC2200

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Originally Posted by rakeme

Why? Villain is good and likely not calling our 3bet with worse and there's no need to 3bet as a bluff here.

What "better" is he calling with? He's 4 betting it most of the time if he's "good".

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10-15-2013 , 01:53 AM

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EC2200

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Originally Posted by bored to death

kind of what i was saying i just wasnt so harsh.

I never said for value. This is a hand you can't play for value vs a raise.

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