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02-02-2014 , 11:56 AM
so a 35/5/0% 3bet passivefish opens..

tight regular 3bets him, i flat behind to keep worse ranges in, and expecting to stack off worse overpairs post

passive fish pretty much instashoves, and reg very quickly calls behind (had almost 0% 4bet , and folds a lot to 3bets)

so i fold KK

then watch passive fish win QQ vs AK


supertilting?

mistake or that 1 time in 50 that no one had AA?


down 100 for the day, that pot would have got me back to 0 :P
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02-02-2014 , 11:58 AM
Not 4 betting is the mistake
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02-02-2014 , 12:01 PM
Mistake that you folded yes. Fish had QQ and reg had AK so you folded the best hand.
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02-02-2014 , 12:01 PM
Mistake.
You under-repped your hand in the eyes of the reg.

If fish opens, reg 3bets, you cold 4bet, fish shoves, reg calls the shove, then you have more of a case to fold. But still not folding when theres a fish involved.
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02-02-2014 , 12:02 PM
No way I'm folding. Both calling and 4betting are ok imo but honestly to fold kk pre i would need some very specific reads.

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02-02-2014 , 12:14 PM
theres a lot of fish who will only ever get in AA preflop

"cant fold KK if he is a fish" is quite bad argument, if youre up against AA almost always



but yes, i might have messed up.. i was thinking way more about the reg in pot, than i was about the fish - it is superobvious fat value KK+ only in the regs eyes, but i should just ignore that and hope fish finds something worse
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02-02-2014 , 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by rigaholicconfessio
theres a lot of fish who will only ever get in AA preflop
So what you're saying is a lot of fish fold KK preflop

[x] irony
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02-02-2014 , 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by housenuts
So what you're saying is a lot of fish fold KK preflop

[x] irony

nopp.. they will call KK against a cold 4b, QQ i dont even know, but if i get action against these guys after a 4b, im pretty much ****ed
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02-02-2014 , 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by rigaholicconfessio
nopp.. they will call KK against a cold 4b, QQ i dont even know, but if i get action against these guys after a 4b, im pretty much ****ed
Ya maybe, but at that point you have more info and can consider folding. If you just flat the 3b a lot wider range will 4b and you don't have any clue where you stand.
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02-03-2014 , 08:36 PM
4bet small fold against the reg....probably get it in against the other guy
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