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10-21-2013 , 05:07 PM
New player sits down in the BB so no read. It's 6 handed and hero is on the button with AK and opens pot for 3x, SB folds and BB shoves for 100bigs. Hero is 200bb deep.
What do you do?

I folded. I had lost every flip this session and my reasoning is that the BB was shoving 44+ to AJ at this level and I really couldn't handle the variance at this point mentally. Was I just being a wuss here or is this just a matter of preference?
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10-21-2013 , 05:10 PM
Play with a big enough bankroll and snap call.
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10-21-2013 , 05:33 PM
It's not a matter of preference and you shouldn't play if you can't take the variance.

That being said, I would fold here. A tight aggressive player here should only reraise you with QQ+, AK (although he shouldn't reraise you with QQ or AK, people still do it). Assuming that's his range, you're AK gets destroyed. Even if his range includes all pocket pairs, it's still at best a coin flip for you.

If you find out he's lose enough to shove weaker hands, then you can exploit it later.
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10-21-2013 , 05:34 PM
ez call.
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10-21-2013 , 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by SchDonk
ez call.
^
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10-21-2013 , 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Chickenson
It's not a matter of preference and you shouldn't play if you can't take the variance.

That being said, I would fold here. A tight aggressive player here should only reraise you with QQ+, AK (although he shouldn't reraise you with QQ or AK, people still do it). Assuming that's his range, you're AK gets destroyed. Even if his range includes all pocket pairs, it's still at best a coin flip for you.

If you find out he's lose enough to shove weaker hands, then you can exploit it later.
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A TAG absolutely NEVER does this. A TAG is a thinking player who would try to get the most value out of these hands. Only a poo flinging monkey does a move like this. So since he is a poo flinging monkey, he can have ATC, so I snap call.


In all seriousness though, it's a call. You're getting the odds vs. any QQ and lower pocket pairs and you have any Ax and Kx hand dominated. There are simply more Ax and Kx hand combos than AA or KK. And I've seen players pull this move or shove AIPF with as low as AT and 88.

Also, don't be afraid of the variance. It happens. If you make the right plays over time, you will get good results
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10-21-2013 , 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by ohsnapzbrah
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A TAG absolutely NEVER does this. A TAG is a thinking player who would try to get the most value out of these hands. Only a poo flinging monkey does a move like this. So since he is a poo flinging monkey, he can have ATC, so I snap call.


In all seriousness though, it's a call. You're getting the odds vs. any QQ and lower pocket pairs and you have any Ax and Kx hand dominated. There are simply more Ax and Kx hand combos than AA or KK. And I've seen players pull this move or shove AIPF with as low as AT and 88.

Also, don't be afraid of the variance. It happens. If you make the right plays over time, you will get good results
How exactly do you have odds vs any QQ and lower pocket pair? You have a slightly unfavorable coin flip.

Just because you've seen players pull a move doesn't mean ****. I've seen plenty of idiots who play with the philosophy of only raise monsters and all in when you do, because idiots at their level will call with worse hands.

If this poo flinger all ins like this I doubt he has worse than the range I described above. If he does, it will come out and hero can take advantage later, and come out ahead in the long run. But with no info, you can assume your odds are bad.

I don't like your assumption that because there are only 6 AA and KK combos, he is going all in with crap.
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10-21-2013 , 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Chickenson
How exactly do you have odds vs any QQ and lower pocket pair? You have a slightly unfavorable coin flip.

Just because you've seen players pull a move doesn't mean ****. I've seen plenty of idiots who play with the philosophy of only raise monsters and all in when you do, because idiots at their level will call with worse hands.

If this poo flinger all ins like this I doubt he has worse than the range I described above. If he does, it will come out and hero can take advantage later, and come out ahead in the long run. But with no info, you can assume your odds are bad.

I don't like your assumption that because there are only 6 AA and KK combos, he is going all in with crap.
My guess is you've played less than 10k hands lifetime.
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10-21-2013 , 06:16 PM
OP, it doesn't matter if you've lost ten flips in a row, you never fold here.
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10-21-2013 , 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Geo81
New player sits down in the BB so no read. It's 6 handed and hero is on the button with AK and opens pot for 3x, SB folds and BB shoves for 100bigs. Hero is 200bb deep.
What do you do?
Not sure why you posted this piece of info. As it's only you and the BB who has 100bb the effective stacks here are 100bbs. Wouldn't matter if you had 1000bbs the decision is the same.

Oh and snap call.
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10-21-2013 , 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by TheDefiniteArticle
My guess is you've played less than 10k hands lifetime.
please. How many times have you seen anyone at micros with Ax, Kx or worse all in to a PFR? and not with play money. Yes micro fish are horrible at betting but they tend to be tight with these dumbass all ins.
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10-21-2013 , 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Chickenson
please. How many times have you seen anyone at micros with Ax, Kx or worse all in to a PFR? and not with play money. Yes micro fish are horrible at betting but they tend to be tight with these dumbass all ins.
Welcome to 2+2. You are wrong. This is an easy call. Read some more threads before you start posting advice.
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10-21-2013 , 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Chickenson
please. How many times have you seen anyone at micros with Ax, Kx or worse all in to a PFR? and not with play money. Yes micro fish are horrible at betting but they tend to be tight with these dumbass all ins.
Shoving 100bb over a 3bb open I'd guess that about 75% of the time it's random ****e and about 0.01% of the time it's a legit hand. The players who like 3b jamming tend to be the same players who love slowplaying AA preflop.
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10-21-2013 , 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by blakeatron
Welcome to 2+2. You are wrong. This is an easy call. Read some more threads before you start posting advice.
There 3BB hero already put out are negligible. Even if this idiots range is 22-AA, AK, AQ, AJ, AT, KQ, KJ, KT, you have 58%. That's IF he's that dumb, which I'm not willing to assume with zero information.
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10-21-2013 , 07:17 PM
Welcome to 2p2.
It's an ez call.
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10-21-2013 , 07:22 PM
grunching

Snap
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10-21-2013 , 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Chickenson
There 3BB hero already put out are negligible. Even if this idiots range is 22-AA, AK, AQ, AJ, AT, KQ, KJ, KT, you have 58%. That's IF he's that dumb, which I'm not willing to assume with zero information.
He just shoved 100bb over a 3bb open. That's more than enough to tell you he needs help getting dressed.
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10-21-2013 , 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by TheDefiniteArticle
He just shoved 100bb over a 3bb open. That's more than enough to tell you he needs help getting dressed.
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10-21-2013 , 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by TheDefiniteArticle
He just shoved 100bb over a 3bb open. That's more than enough to tell you he needs help getting dressed.
lol this. wp
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10-21-2013 , 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by TheDefiniteArticle
He just shoved 100bb over a 3bb open. That's more than enough to tell you he needs help getting dressed.
Wp

Anyways, snap call this, move down if u aren't ready to accept this variance.
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10-22-2013 , 03:46 AM
What stake is this at?
Where is villian from?

I am snapping 10NL down, especially if Villian is Russian or Greek.

Spoiler request: Did villian open shove the next six hands and then leave table?

Edit: Posted before reading 2nd page, wp indeed.
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10-22-2013 , 03:50 AM
How can you eveeeeer fold, I'm snapping so fast. I'd want to flip anyway if I was running bad.
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10-22-2013 , 05:47 AM
Thanks for confirming what I suspected.
I guess what really bothered me is that I never considered this situation with AK and I was very unprepared for it. I guess next time I sit down I just need to have my big boy pants on.
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10-22-2013 , 06:03 AM
People do incredibly stupid things sometimes, it's kindof human nature.
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10-22-2013 , 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Geo81
I guess next time I sit down I just need to have my big boy pants on.
TDA will help you get dressed
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