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08-19-2010 , 11:32 PM
Ok. So I am usually the guy that gets on here and says "WTF 3/4bet, we have AK which has solid equity against 98% of hands and blockers to the nuts." However, since Split's COTW vid, I'm starting to see there are times when we should fold it. Would you agree this is one of them or should I "WTF" myself.
Cliffs: Should I fold AK here?

UTG is a 26/20/4 his pfr in EP is 19 over 87 hands.
UTG+1 is a 9/9/4 his 3bet is 1 over 345 hands. IDK how much it matters, but all of his prior 3bets have come from the blinds.

Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Hero (SB): $25.00
BB: $26.74
UTG: $34.31
UTG+1: $47.65
MP1: $27.39
MP2: $24.75
CO: $15.88
BTN: $39.11

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is SB with K A
UTG raises to $1, UTG+1 raises to $3.25, 6 folds, UTG calls $2.25

Spoiler:
Flop: ($6.85) 8 4 2 (2 players)
UTG checks, UTG+1 bets $4.25, UTG calls $4.25

Turn: ($15.35) T (2 players)
UTG bets $5, UTG+1 folds

Being results orented, if he folds this turn I think I was totally wrong to about his range and shouldn't have folded; thoughts?
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08-19-2010 , 11:45 PM
I think this is a fold. For a player this tight, even a generous range beats you. Thing is that AK has blockers to the nuts, but the problem is that the nuts absolutely demolish you.
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08-19-2010 , 11:50 PM
Probably he had AK too
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08-20-2010 , 12:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Donoban
Probably he had AK too
Seems that Villain has put OP on AK

I hate those situations - always feel like jamming out of pure frustration but fold is probly best. I always think 'damn Villain has QQ or JJ and he's putting me on AK with a safe flop.
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08-20-2010 , 12:32 AM
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Originally Posted by JustinJude
Seems that Villain has put OP on AK

I hate those situations - always feel like jamming out of pure frustration but fold is probly best. I always think 'damn Villain has QQ or JJ and he's putting me on AK with a safe flop.
Yeah, I think overplaying AK is probably the single biggest leak in my game right now. I'm trying to err towards the side of being too cautious with them rather than being too aggressive. Even if villain shows up with jacks, that still beats AK more than half the time.
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08-20-2010 , 12:43 AM
ya this is a fold. nh
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08-20-2010 , 12:44 AM
Even if only from the blinds that still makes his 1% 3b range pure value. I fold this without thinking twice. You are dead against his range and oop. The fact that he had AK this time means nothing. i think you should feel happy about this fold. Also on this flop, what would you have done? How is it beneficial to be in this pot in the sb - A high? And if a A or K did hit you will not want to vb against UTG+1 because if he calls your splitting or dead. I don't see any very profitable outcomes here ever either 4bing or calling. No money in nits.
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08-20-2010 , 12:45 AM
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Originally Posted by DDAWD
Yeah, I think overplaying AK is probably the single biggest leak in my game right now. I'm trying to err towards the side of being too cautious with them rather than being too aggressive. Even if villain shows up with jacks, that still beats AK more than half the time.

Yep. I don't even bother Cbetting if (I miss the flop) most of the time now when I'm in position w AK cos if someone calls a 3bet it's usually with JJ QQ TT and when no A or K pops up on the flop they're probly gonna float so it's a spew.
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08-20-2010 , 12:46 AM
Grunch

Super ez snap fold its not close. So what he had AK this time that's like the bottom of his range
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08-20-2010 , 12:55 AM
Is the Cbet a mistake guys?

What's up with that Hand History? I'm confused.

Last edited by JustinJude; 08-20-2010 at 12:57 AM. Reason: Update
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08-20-2010 , 01:37 AM
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Originally Posted by JustinJude
Is the Cbet a mistake guys?

What's up with that Hand History? I'm confused.
hero folded pf i think.
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08-20-2010 , 01:48 AM
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Originally Posted by zocketpocket
hero folded pf i think.
Oh I see now, ty.
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08-20-2010 , 01:56 AM
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Originally Posted by wannyn
The fact that he had AK this time means nothing.
Well, It means that probably he lost 7.50$ and OP lost nothing with the same hand.

I also fold. Maybe if villian range was more wide I would consider 4-betting or shove but 9/9/4 over 345hands... get me out of there!
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