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09-23-2010 , 08:44 AM
Villain here is 40/20 over 100 hands
How do you think about my 3bet preflop? What is my best line after he calls flop on this turn?

Cassava Poker $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
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CO: $114.29
BTN: $72.03
Hero (SB): $51.79
BB: $66.75
UTG: $47.30

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is SB with T K
1 fold, CO raises to $1.75, 1 fold, Hero raises to $5.75, 1 fold, CO calls $4

Flop: ($12.00) 6 J 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $6.50, CO calls $6.50
Turn: ($25.00) Q (2 players)
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09-23-2010 , 09:01 AM
b/c, i have no idea about sizing, i would end up with something between 13 and 18 im sure but I dont really know why (i.e. i dont think its obv that would need to set up a river 3barrel for if we miss?)
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09-23-2010 , 09:55 AM
Preflop I prefer flatting with this hand against such a loose opponent. This hand plays pretty well post-flop, but you don't want to have to play a large pot OOP, which you will be faced with most of the time against this opponent.

Against loose opponents, I prefer 3betting a nuts/air range. The 'nuts' range is completely dependant on the villain. The looser the opponent, the more 'nut' hands you can 3bet for value. The 'air' range usually includes blockers (Axo, K5s, etc.) and are hands that I usually 3bet in position against loose players as a bluff especially if they have a habit of fit or folding in 3bet pots. I'm not a fan of 3bet bluffing loose opponents OOP, but I will occasionally to stay balanced.

Basically I'm saying 3bet for value or as a bluff and flat with hands that play well post flop. You basically turn KT into a bluff here because, even though he's loose, he's rarely calling with a worse hand.
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09-23-2010 , 10:03 AM
In regards to the turn, this is an easy 2barrel. This is probably the third best non-heart card for you (an A or K might be a bit better) because it's an overcard to the board that adds outs to your draw. I would consider jamming most rivers because a lot of combos in his range include nfd (assuming he calls our 2barrel).


What are some thoughts on a line for a rivered K?? Check/call maybe? Gives him a chance to jam a missed FD.
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09-23-2010 , 10:16 AM
I think 2nd barreling here is fine but if I get called again, I wont fire the river. If his range is missed nut flush draws and pocket pairs he wont fold to often. If its nut flush draws the best we can hope for is A9... Most likely he will have AQ of hearts those times he is sitting with a nut flush draw because we have T and K of hearts. So most likely he is having 99,TT,JJ, QQ and is some weird cases AKo.

99 = 6 combos
TT = 3 combos
JJ = 3 combos
QQ = 3 combos
AKo = 6 combos (estimation because i dont think he will have it often)
AQhearts = 1 combo
A9hearts = 0,5 combo (doubt he will have it often)

So thats 15 combos he will fold and only 7,5 he will continue with. So I think 2nd barreling is good but if we get called his range on river JJ, QQ, AQhearts and A9hearts. I think only 0,5 combos fold and 7 will call so river bluff has no FE if you ask me... He will never fold AQ in a big pot on river either.
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09-23-2010 , 10:19 AM
Preflop, I am just going to be flatting against this villain, unless he reacts weirdly to 3bets in some way. Flop I like it, on the turn, I am just jamming.

Not knowing his fold to cbet tendencys, I would assume he is going to be fairly wide here with some weak made hands. Do you think he folds a mid PP on the turn to any bet?
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09-23-2010 , 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Weezzl
I think 2nd barreling here is fine but if I get called again, I wont fire the river. If his range is missed nut flush draws and pocket pairs he wont fold to often. If its nut flush draws the best we can hope for is A9... Most likely he will have AQ of hearts those times he is sitting with a nut flush draw because we have T and K of hearts. So most likely he is having 99,TT,JJ, QQ and is some weird cases AKo.

99 = 6 combos
TT = 3 combos
JJ = 3 combos
QQ = 3 combos
AKo = 6 combos (estimation because i dont think he will have it often)
AQhearts = 1 combo
A9hearts = 0,5 combo (doubt he will have it often)

So thats 15 combos he will fold and only 7,5 he will continue with. So I think 2nd barreling is good but if we get called his range on river JJ, QQ, AQhearts and A9hearts. I think only 0,5 combos fold and 7 will call so river bluff has no FE if you ask me... He will never fold AQ in a big pot on river either.
I think you're underestimating this opponents calling range preflop. Think this guy is calling with any suited Ace preflop.
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09-23-2010 , 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by smiffstarr
I think you're underestimating this opponents calling range preflop. Think this guy is calling with any suited Ace preflop.
Yea might be Still working on assigning ranges.
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09-24-2010 , 08:59 AM
Thanks for all the input. I'm certainly learning.
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