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Flopped Quads - how to get the most out of it? Flopped Quads - how to get the most out of it?

03-12-2012 , 11:24 AM
I just flopped Quads but I was a little bit scared that villain will fold if I bet too big. Did I miss somewhere to extract value?

Villain plays

19/6/0 on 30 hands

Thanks a lot in advance.




    Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #12140442

    MP: $2.44 (48.8 bb)
    CO: $9.38 (187.6 bb)
    BTN: $3.16 (63.2 bb)
    SB: $1.68 (33.6 bb)
    BB: $3.56 (71.2 bb)
    Hero (UTG): $5.12 (102.4 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG with 5 5
    Hero raises to $0.15, 4 folds, BB calls $0.10

    Flop: ($0.32) 5 5 T (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $0.05, BB raises to $0.40, Hero raises to $0.75, BB calls $0.35

    Turn: ($1.82) 4 (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero checks

    River: ($1.82) A (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $0.80, BB calls $0.80




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    03-12-2012 , 11:31 AM
    19/6 seems very passive to me so once he raises you on the flop, he's bluffing a very small % of the time, meaning that you should be betting hard.

    Villain is starting off the hand kind of shortstacked so your flop minraise isn't toooo bad but it is imperative that you bet this turn when checked to you. Also your river bet is too small, a hand that pays off an $0.80 bet should pay off a $1.10 or $1.20 bet too.
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    03-12-2012 , 11:42 AM
    re-raise flop
    bet turn
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    03-12-2012 , 11:46 AM
    bet $0.05 on turn and river
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    03-12-2012 , 01:01 PM
    Nice flopminbet-minreraising line!
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    03-12-2012 , 01:25 PM
    Bet more on flop. You're not going to build a big pot by minbetting. I like a smaller 4bet on the flop but not a min 4bet unless villain is aggro-spazz. Bet turn. As played you can extract more on river ~$1 - $1.2
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    03-12-2012 , 01:39 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by DaycareInferno
    bet $0.05 on turn and river

    LOL
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    03-12-2012 , 03:06 PM
    bet bigger on the flop, flat his raise.
    bet 1/2 pot ott when it checks to you.
    bet bigger otr.
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    03-12-2012 , 03:54 PM
    don't really like the min bet OTF... and your 3bet must be bigger.

    River bet bigger, around ~70-75% of pot, because even if you bet villian aint gonna call you unless he has a club or better. extract max value with your hand.
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    03-12-2012 , 03:55 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by DaycareInferno
    bet $0.05 on turn and river
    marry me. lol this is gold.
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    03-12-2012 , 04:32 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Queen6Suited
    bet bigger on the flop, flat his raise.
    bet 1/2 pot ott when it checks to you.
    bet bigger otr.
    This.
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    03-12-2012 , 04:34 PM
    it's tempting to call the flop raise because we have pos but I think 3b flop is mandatory vs this guy
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    03-12-2012 , 04:37 PM
    good rule: when flopping nuts as pfr, b/b/b (70-95% pot depending on villian)
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    03-12-2012 , 04:58 PM
    just noticed the 5c cb wth
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    03-12-2012 , 04:59 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ionutd
    re-raise flop
    bet turn
    this
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    03-12-2012 , 05:00 PM
    and don't bet 5 pennies if u want to build a pot
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    03-12-2012 , 05:46 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by DaycareInferno
    bet $0.05 on turn and river
    Woh there steady, easy tiger, we don't want to scare villain away
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    03-12-2012 , 05:55 PM
    Actually, I only bet the flop for .05 because in my experience (at the micros), vilains quite often raise it if they have a made hand but just call it when they have a draw (no need to be afraid of draws at that point). So I was quite sure at the turn that he had something, but I didn't want to scare him and therefore just checked. Maybe a bet would have been much better.

    But do you really think the minbet min-3-bet line otf was that bad? I just wanted to get at least one more call and therefore checked ott.
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    03-12-2012 , 06:32 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by phewton
    Actually, I only bet the flop for .05 because in my experience (at the micros), vilains quite often raise it if they have a made hand but just call it when they have a draw (no need to be afraid of draws at that point). So I was quite sure at the turn that he had something, but I didn't want to scare him and therefore just checked. Maybe a bet would have been much better.

    But do you really think the minbet min-3-bet line otf was that bad? I just wanted to get at least one more call and therefore checked ott.
    I actually don't think a small donk on the flop to induce a raise is terrible - but only if you had a reason to think villain is going to pop it. Here you only have 30 hands and the villain is 19/6/0 - that's pretty passive - so you have no reason to think this will get any money into the pot.

    As played, once he calls your flop 3bet, you need to bet the turn (as everyone is pointing out). Because the villain is short-stacked, you can actually bet on the small side and set stack sizes up for a comfortable shove on the river. If you bet $0.91 on the turn, Villain's stack will be $1.75 and the pot will be $3.64 on the river. Heck, even your $0.80 bet is enough to set up stacks if you make it on the turn instead of the river.
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    03-12-2012 , 07:14 PM
    When you flop the nuts close your eyes and bet 3/4 pot every street
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    03-12-2012 , 07:23 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SCF
    I actually don't think a small donk on the flop to induce a raise is terrible - but only if you had a reason to think villain is going to pop it. Here you only have 30 hands and the villain is 19/6/0 - that's pretty passive - so you have no reason to think this will get any money into the pot.
    Oops - we are cbetting, not donking. Same logic applies, except villain is even less likely to raise here (small donks get raised more often that small cbets).
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