Flopped quad - how to extract value?!
Join Date: Aug 2013
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Villian played 16/7 1,7AF
Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 6 of clubs 6 of diamonds
MP1 raises to $0.30, MP2 folds, Hero calls $0.30, 4 folds
Flop: ($0.75) 6 of spades Q of diamonds 6 of hearts (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets $0.20, MP1 calls $0.20
Turn: ($1.15) 2 of diamonds (2 players)
MP1 bets $0.57, Hero ???
Made that tiny bet just to get the pot a little bigger. There are just 3 cards in the deck left that made him a pair.
Because he did not cbet i thought he had AQ/AJ most of the time here.
I know the most of you guys will tell me bet/bet/bet.. but is this always the best line for value? maybe just call turn and let him bluff river?
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Don't know why it's not in there if I use the hand converter -.-. And don't know either why there is written "of spades" instead of the picture. Maybe someone can help me with this issue..
Effective stacks were 79bb.
Lol did not tought AQ/AJ but AK/AJ.
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Personally, I'd be raising the turn bet. If the villain doesn't have a good enough hand to call or re-raise, then he's not going to have a good enough hand to call a river shove anyway. Sometimes they just don't have a good enough hand to continue to play against your monster.
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Here's another thing to think about. If he's a villain who will stack off with a queen (or maybe even less).. Would you make more from betting aggressively to get stacks in for the times when he has a good enough hand to put his money in, or would you make more from slowplaying and winning a few more much smaller pots from lesser hands he might have. That's something you should try to estimate for those spots, and then play accordingly.
I will say one thing though.. betting tiny "just to get the pot a little bigger" isn't a very good reason. If you're gonna be betting (hoping he'll call), you want to play a big pot, not a small one. If he's going to call a small bet like that, he'll probably also call a half pot (or more) bet. This will build the pot a bit faster and allow you to get more in by the river. It's okay sometimes to bet tiny in order to induce a bluff-raise (or even value-raise), but this doesn't seem like the opponent to do that against.
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I mean if someone does not cbet in heads up pot it looks really polarized, am I right?
Somehow the tiny bet worked because he donked the turn into me. I raised and he snapfolded.
But I mean 2bb is more then nothing right? I think if he snap folds to my raise, he would not pay much more on the flop?
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I think by not cbetting on the flop, different villains will think different things.
The tiny bet then worked for a different reason. Remember, I said betting tiny is okay in certain situations if you think it will induce a bluff. But that's different from betting tiny to make the pot a little bigger.
And as for your last question, who knows? He could be thinking of calling any reasonable bet with the intention to donk the turn. He might even decide to raise a bigger bet on the flop as a bluff.
Actually, by betting tiny, you may have even made him think that you hold a strong hand trying to suck in a call. Then, maybe with some kind of pair, he put out a small donk bet on the turn to see where he was at, fearing you might have trips. You raised, solidifying his belief that you had him beat, so he folded. If you bet bigger on the flop, he may be less inclined to believe you have a six. So he might stay with you a bit longer and put in more money. All just speculation of course, but I think you could have gotten more by betting bigger. Obviously, you can't know for sure.