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05-16-2012 , 02:12 PM
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    Merge, $0.02/$0.04 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #12898832

    Hero (BB): $4.08 (102 bb)
    UTG+2: $4 (100 bb)
    MP1: $2.74 (68.5 bb)
    MP2: $3.96 (99 bb)
    MP3: $10.68 (267 bb) 59/8 -72 hands
    CO: $0.85 (21.3 bb)
    BTN: $3.94 (98.5 bb)
    SB: $5.34 (133.5 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with 6 5
    3 folds, MP3 calls $0.04, CO calls $0.04, 2 folds, Hero checks

    Flop: ($0.14) 2 T 8 (3 players)
    Hero bets $0.09, MP3 calls $0.09, CO folds

    Turn: ($0.32) T (2 players)
    Hero bets $0.28, MP3 raises to $0.80, Hero calls $0.52

    River: ($1.92) 3 (2 players)
    Hero checks, MP3 bets $1.08, Hero calls $1.08

    Spoiler:
    Results: $4.08 pot ($0.20 rake)
    Final Board: 2 T 8 T 3
    Hero showed 6 5 and lost (-$2.01 net)
    MP3 showed 7 K and won $3.88 ($1.87 net)



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    05-16-2012 , 02:39 PM
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    Getting it in on the turn

    Plenty of Tx in his range as well as a whole load of spewy **** that a fish like this is likely to turn up with
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    05-16-2012 , 03:47 PM
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    bet bigger on flop- u can pot it. Bet bigger on turn and fold vs raise as passive players dont raise as bluffs very offten
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    05-16-2012 , 04:56 PM
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ft3b0%
    bet bigger on flop- u can pot it. Bet bigger on turn and fold vs raise as passive players dont raise as bluffs very offten
    I agree with potting on the flop and turn, but surely that last bit is applying a rule of thumb to an extreme. Villain is an uber-fish. He might be passive pre but with a VPIP of 50+, chances are his postflop play is going to be all over the place. Not only does his range have a whole bunch of Tx combos but guaranteed a fish like this will hold complete 'wtf' hands a huge percentage of the time.
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    05-16-2012 , 05:00 PM
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by bull699
    I agree with potting on the flop and turn, but surely that last bit is applying a rule of thumb to an extreme. Villain is an uber-fish. He might be passive pre but with a VPIP of 50+, chances are his postflop play is going to be all over the place. Not only does his range have a whole bunch of Tx combos but guaranteed a fish like this will hold complete 'wtf' hands a huge percentage of the time.
    This is very true, this kind of player could turn up with anything.
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    05-16-2012 , 06:41 PM
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    passive fish is 9of10 passive pre and post. Bet folding can save some money vs them and it is true in any limit NL2 or nl100. If u have read that it is not true use it but if u are with no reads herofolding>herocaling. I agree with "lot of lol hands" but not agree with he will raise them. I dont give a fcuk if he bluffs me 1of10 as other 9 times he will shove omg nuts
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    05-16-2012 , 07:47 PM
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    I just worked out some equity calculations with Equilab. Assigning villain a range of all possible 10x hands, flushes, full houses and quads my equity is 51.9 on the turn. That seems a little thin to be shoving, but still profitable (high variance as well). I'm really trying to stay on the fat value side of the equity spectrum. Obviously I had no idea what my exact equity was on turn but I did quickly estimate about 55% and decided to play for showdown value at that point.
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    05-16-2012 , 07:50 PM
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    MP2 48.10%{ TdTc, T2s, KhQh, AhJh, KhJh, QhJh, AdTd, AcTc, KdTd, KcTc, QdTd, QcTc, JdTd, JcTc, Ah9h, Kh9h, Qh9h, Jh9h, Td9d, Tc9c, Td8d, Tc8c, Ah7h, Kh7h, Qh7h, Jh7h, Td7d, Tc7c, 9h7h, Td6d, Tc6c, Td5d, Tc5c, Ah4h, Kh4h, Qh4h, Jh4h, Td4d, Tc4c, Ah3h, Kh3h, Qh3h, Jh3h, Td3d, Tc3c, T6o-T2o, AdTc, AhTd, AhTc, AsTd, AsTc, AcTd, KdTc, KhTd, KhTc, KsTd, KsTc, KcTd, QdTc, QhTd, QhTc, QsTd, QsTc, QcTd, JdTc, JhTd, JhTc, JsTd, JsTc, JcTd, Td9h, Td9s, Td9c, Tc9d, Tc9h, Tc9s, Td8s, Td8c, Tc8d, Tc8s, Td7h, Td7s, Td7c, Tc7d, Tc7h, Tc7s }

    BB 51.90%
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    05-16-2012 , 07:55 PM
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    If he is raising nuts gl with puting in that calculator all what you would raising there. He is pasive fish. will not say it one more time.
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    05-16-2012 , 09:15 PM
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    I would fold OTT; a passive fish isn't bluffing, or value raising any worse hands very often (maybe some TX, but not enough of the time to make shoving profitable).
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