Should I not have shoved it without overcards or pairs?


Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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Hero (MP): $54.45
CO: $38.25
BTN: $86.85
SB: $50.50
BB: $27.90
UTG: $81.55

Pre Flop: Hero is MP with 9 7
UTG calls $0.50, Hero calls $0.50, 2 folds, SB calls $0.25, BB raises to $1, UTG calls $0.50, Hero calls $0.50, 1 fold

Flop: ($3.50) 8 J A (3 players)
BB bets $0.50, UTG calls $0.50, Hero raises to $4.50, BB raises to $8.50, UTG folds, Hero raises to $53.45 all in, BB calls $18.40 all in

Turn: ($57.80) 2 (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: ($57.80) J (2 players - 2 are all in)

Overlimping pre isnt bad here, but I'd raise to 250 most of the time.

As played your turn line is fine. There may be other lines, but this should be what you do here by default.

I meant flop line

What if I didn't have the gutshot straight draw? Still an okay flop shove?
I always thought that if you don't have a pair and/or overcards - don't shove your flush draws...

Was my above thinking incorrect?

Overlimp here isn't too bad but I'd like it better with 2 limpers in front and/or from button or CO. Generally I'd like either folding or raising here......(I usually raise).


In a raised pot I like your flop line. In an unraised pot there' just so many villains there's such a good chance one of them's got an A. Still your first raise is fine IMO. But once you get 3bet he's almost definitely got at least an A and I doubt he's folding to a shove so I usually just call. I didn't check the math but I expect that if you call, miss the turn, and he shoves the turn you have odds to call....but maybe he checks and lets you see the river for free.


And to answer your question.....if you didn't have the gutshot also then this line wouldn't be good.

Big difference from 9 outs to 12 outs to 15 outs.