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12-28-2016 , 10:50 PM
A friend has been criticizing me for my play against him below. I would like to hear your opinions.

    Poker Stars, $2.50/$5 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37558592

    Hero (BB): $877.12 (175.4 bb)
    MP: $510.98 (102.2 bb)
    CO: $1,178.68 (235.7 bb)
    BTN: $600.43 (120.1 bb)
    SB: $736.64 (147.3 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with A J
    MP folds, CO raises to $15, 2 folds, Hero calls $10

    Flop: ($32.50) 3 2 T (2 players)
    Hero checks, CO bets $13.64, Hero calls $13.64

    Turn: ($59.78) K (2 players)
    Hero checks, CO bets $33.99, Hero calls $33.99

    River: ($127.76) Q (2 players)
    Hero checks, CO bets $123.93, Hero raises to $406.79, CO calls $282.86

    Spoiler:
    Results: $941.34 pot ($28.24 rake)
    Final Board: 3 2 T K Q
    Hero showed A J and won $913.10 ($443.68 net)
    CO mucked and lost (-$469.42 net)



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    My read is that his flop bet isn't strong, potentially a lot of backdoors. On the turn he could be betting KJ which I'm ahead of, AJ, J9, J8 etc. I'm planning on calling him down with A high on the brick rivers a lot, depending on his sizing.

    On the river, I bink obv great, from his sizing I thought he had AJ, KQ, KT or QT.

    Do you think the way I played can be called spewing or very bad? Do you think doing this without A of diamond is wrong but it can be okay with A of diamond? Thanks in advance.
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    12-30-2016 , 12:28 AM
    Hand is completely fine. Vs that river sizing I might raise a little bigger, as I expect him to have a straight or set here 100% of the time.
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    01-03-2017 , 05:14 PM
    I think the float is fine on the flop, since the bet is quite small on the flop. On the turn, though, I think you need to ask whether his range is strong or weak on double barrels. If he's a crazy maniac, then I may be ok with a call down. If he doesn't double barrel much, I'd fold. You may say you have some implied odds, but not too much i think, especialy with possible tainted outs. You have to really think he'd double barrel bluff and also would not 3 barrel bluff too often. If he does, then I think the risk is too big to just call down oop with A high. I don't quite like that plan.
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    01-04-2017 , 01:17 AM
    Turn's pretty standard to call. He's bluffing this card always, and we beat quite a few bluffs. We're also getting a good price, and I don't think he bluffs river too much on a blank since all broadway draws and the main FD missed.
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    01-04-2017 , 02:18 AM
    Thanks for all the responses. I was pretty sure I wasn't spewing here but he was quite vocal about my "bad" play on his twitch channel so I doubted myself a little. A quick note, I made a mistake writing his turn range, I changed it below. (The bold part)

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by kayrakhan
    A friend has been criticizing me for my play against him below. I would like to hear your opinions.

      Poker Stars, $2.50/$5 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37558592

      Hero (BB): $877.12 (175.4 bb)
      MP: $510.98 (102.2 bb)
      CO: $1,178.68 (235.7 bb)
      BTN: $600.43 (120.1 bb)
      SB: $736.64 (147.3 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BB with A J
      MP folds, CO raises to $15, 2 folds, Hero calls $10

      Flop: ($32.50) 3 2 T (2 players)
      Hero checks, CO bets $13.64, Hero calls $13.64

      Turn: ($59.78) K (2 players)
      Hero checks, CO bets $33.99, Hero calls $33.99

      River: ($127.76) Q (2 players)
      Hero checks, CO bets $123.93, Hero raises to $406.79, CO calls $282.86

      Spoiler:
      Results: $941.34 pot ($28.24 rake)
      Final Board: 3 2 T K Q
      Hero showed A J and won $913.10 ($443.68 net)
      CO mucked and lost (-$469.42 net)



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      My read is that his flop bet isn't strong, potentially a lot of backdoors. On the turn he could be betting QJ which I'm ahead of, AJ, J9, Q9 etc. I'm planning on calling him down with A high on the brick rivers a lot, depending on his sizing.

      On the river, I bink obv great, from his sizing I thought he had AJ, KQ, KT or QT.

      Do you think the way I played can be called spewing or very bad? Do you think doing this without A of diamond is wrong but it can be okay with A of diamond? Thanks in advance.
      Also, my thoughts exactly Minatorr

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      Turn's pretty standard to call. He's bluffing this card always, and we beat quite a few bluffs. We're also getting a good price, and I don't think he bluffs river too much on a blank since all broadway draws and the main FD missed.
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      01-04-2017 , 06:11 PM
      Do you know what he mucked? If he called with less than J9, his call is really bad as no good player is hardly ever x/r bluffing or x/r worse than a straight here. He's just tilted that he got outplayed/lost a big pot. Nh. Don't listen to him lmao.

      He's also barreling this K turn with a lot of one pair hands, and we have 10 outs. Never ever folding here.
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      01-05-2017 , 01:39 AM
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      Originally Posted by Minatorr
      Do you know what he mucked? If he called with less than J9, his call is really bad as no good player is hardly ever x/r bluffing or x/r worse than a straight here. He's just tilted that he got outplayed/lost a big pot. Nh. Don't listen to him lmao.

      He's also barreling this K turn with a lot of one pair hands, and we have 10 outs. Never ever folding here.
      He had top set on the flop for TT. My thought process on the turn was exactly the same as you described and I didn't feel like this was an unordinary hand but he stated otherwise on his channel (I watched it later on). He did seem like a bit tilted even before this hand though.
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      01-05-2017 , 04:27 AM
      Yeah, he played the hand pretty badly. Flop bet is way too small. You have a lot of floats and hands that want to continue even vs 55-60% c-bet. You guys are 170bb+ deep, and he isn't building a pot with FPS 33% c-bet sizing unless it's set over set. If it were a Q73r flop, I'd get behind a 33% strategy. The board's a little too dynamic for a 33% bet sizing.

      I mean if you're truly balanced and playing GTO, he has a mandatory call OTR. But really, when he pots it like that OTR, the rest of the 99.5% player population is not crazy enough to x/r that river with less than J9. Nice river though. If only I could run well like that haha.
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      01-05-2017 , 08:06 AM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by Minatorr
      Yeah, he played the hand pretty badly. Flop bet is way too small. You have a lot of floats and hands that want to continue even vs 55-60% c-bet. You guys are 170bb+ deep, and he isn't building a pot with FPS 33% c-bet sizing unless it's set over set. If it were a Q73r flop, I'd get behind a 33% strategy. The board's a little too dynamic for a 33% bet sizing.

      I mean if you're truly balanced and playing GTO, he has a mandatory call OTR. But really, when he pots it like that OTR, the rest of the 99.5% player population is not crazy enough to x/r that river with less than J9. Nice river though. If only I could run well like that haha.
      The more I think about it, the more it becomes clear to me that I should've shoved here since his value hands are likely to be really strong (sets/aj/j9). I was 6 tabling though and I didn't put a lot of effort on thinking about the raise size on the river. Anyways, thanks for your explanations and I wish you to run well like me at the tables (I'm above EV by quite a bit after 100k hands ).
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      01-20-2017 , 10:45 PM
      if you're calling all your overcards (especially without diamonds) you are going to be vulnerable to a lot of turn barrels. CO has a stronger range than you so you're going to have to fold some hands. so you're planning on only folding cards without a backdoor flush draw and at least one undercard to the board?
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      01-25-2017 , 09:55 AM
      standard

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      Originally Posted by Minatorr
      Hand is completely fine. Vs that river sizing I might raise a little bigger, as I expect him to have a straight or set here 100% of the time.
      villain might have full combos AJ, I don't think you should raise too big, as he can start to fold sets and maybe some J9 without folding too much vs all-in.
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      01-25-2017 , 12:25 PM
      I really don't see a problem with villain's flop sizing. Turn is way too small though.
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