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10-20-2009 , 03:36 PM
Well I guess here's my first post. I won't belabor the content with my story but I am a completely new player (1200 hands played so far total) but I am also an analytical thinking player (or I try to be). Anyhow I apologize for not knowing yet how to produce those neat replay conversions others post here so you'll have to suffer my notes. I'm doing this from memory


PreFlop

Player 1 ~(15/12) w/ ~$10 stack: UTG + 1 Raises .30
Player 2: ~(15/10) w/ ~$10 stack: Middle - Calls .30
Me: ~(34/18) w/ ~$17 stack: Button Q7o - Calls .30

I had been robbing this table pretty well (I had stolen a lot of blinds and had taken down a lot of flops with aggressive position play) until now and these were the only two who I considered good at the table. These guys were playing relatively tight and routinely went in with a 3x raise like this with just about anything in their range. I decided that given my position I would take a shot at robbing them with a disguised hand.

Flop
AQ7 (non flush)

#1: .50 raise (Pot ~$1.50)
#2: Calls (Pot ~$2)
Me: Raise Pot (~$4 pot)
#1: Shove (Pot ~$14)
#2: Shove (Pot ~$24)
Me: ?

I know what I was thinking at this point (triple my $$ ... holy equity) ... but what *should* I be doing here? My post flop play is still a mess and this one was really hard for me. I mean I got EXACTLY what I wanted here with this play. I was honestly hoping to take down the pot with my pot raise or at worst end up heads up but three way for those kinds of stakes and suddenly I lost all sense of what my plan was. Honestly both of these players seemed good enough to realize that I was robbing the table and very likely didn't believe my raise here but to shove?? Should I have hit the pot harder with my raise?

(my apologies for the relative numbers ... I'm at work and so no PT ... but everything is roughly correct)
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10-20-2009 , 03:48 PM
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10NL players who play 15/10's are not "good" (don't give them too much credit gere) and by looking at MP's line on the flop surely we can deduct that he's a fish. But I doubt you get a shove and a call without one of them having better than one pair (you have bottom 2) on such a board.

34/18 isn't good for you btw.

Last edited by EV+ Eevee; 10-20-2009 at 03:58 PM.
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10-20-2009 , 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by EV+ Eevee
Fold pre
A lot of the time I would but I play pretty LAG and specially against TAGs like these I'll take shots now and then (usually with Jacks or Queens or PPs) hoping specifically to catch them like this and steal their money. This time I got more than I bargained for.
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10-20-2009 , 03:59 PM
That's a losing proposition. If you want to piss them off then squeeze more often, calling is bad.
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10-20-2009 , 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by EV+ Eevee
That's a losing proposition. If you want to piss them off then squeeze more often, calling is bad.
It very well could be. I am indeed very new (played my first hand on hold 'em 2 months ago) ... but my design when I make these kinds of plays is to take shots with crap, hit hard, and milk $$ to the river (I WANT them to see my hand and how crappy it is). Not only do I get decent payout from the hand but then the villain is usually on major tilt and then I can really take their money with a good hand played similarly. Perhaps I am over-playing the mental side of it. I doubt I'm quite good enough to pull it off anyhow no matter how good it sounds on paper ... but this is how I play. I go to a table and try and get the good players on tilt while milking the bad players with aggressive play. The good players peg me as a crazy and then I get to take their money with a real hand.
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10-20-2009 , 04:27 PM
what could go wrong?
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10-20-2009 , 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by DaycareInferno
what could go wrong?
Eye lol'd

OP, Most players @ 10NL aren't paying attention, won't adjust to how you're playing etc so it's quite pointless trying to showdown bad hands on the assumption that "I'm playing like an idiot so they'll treat me like one...".

Better to not play like an idiot.

Q7o is a terrible hand to try and hit "big" with. If you flop a queen you're only ever winning a small pot, or outkicked otherwise. You can't draw to anything. Flopping 2 pair is basically the best you can hope for and that's not happening anywhere near enough for this to be close to a good idea.

Keep it simple. You admit your post-flop play is messy as you're a beginner, tighten up pf or you're gonna lose. Learn to play 18/16 or something.
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10-20-2009 , 11:44 PM
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Originally Posted by EV+ Eevee
Eye lol'd

OP, Most players @ 10NL aren't paying attention, won't adjust to how you're playing etc so it's quite pointless trying to showdown bad hands on the assumption that "I'm playing like an idiot so they'll treat me like one...".

Better to not play like an idiot.

Q7o is a terrible hand to try and hit "big" with. If you flop a queen you're only ever winning a small pot, or outkicked otherwise. You can't draw to anything. Flopping 2 pair is basically the best you can hope for and that's not happening anywhere near enough for this to be close to a good idea.

Keep it simple. You admit your post-flop play is messy as you're a beginner, tighten up pf or you're gonna lose. Learn to play 18/16 or something.
Yeah I kind of figured I was trying to hard ... but it is how I like to play. I consider it practice for the casino whenever I get my bankroll up large enough to hit that.
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