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11-27-2012 , 12:01 AM
Hey all,

Would love some feedback...?

I've lurked for years on and off...now I'm starting to post and refine my game like never before...

Villain had a 3bet of 2%...with only 190 hands on him...I put him on a tight range...pretty much premiums...Is this TOO tight of a fold?

...It felt/looks like the correct play.





    Full Tilt, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #14748041

    BB: $10.81 (108.1 bb)
    Hero (UTG): $10 (100 bb)
    MP: $9.85 (98.5 bb)
    CO: $12.59 (125.9 bb)
    BTN: $10.37 (103.7 bb)
    SB: $31.41 (314.1 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q Q
    Hero raises to $0.35, 2 folds, BTN calls $0.35, SB folds, BB raises to $1.50, Hero calls $1.15, BTN folds

    Flop: ($3.40) 5 4 5 (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $2, BB raises to $7.18, Hero folds

    Spoiler:
    Results: $7.40 pot ($0.49 rake)
    Final Board: 5 4 5
    BB mucked and won $6.91 ($3.41 net)
    Hero mucked Q Q and lost (-$3.50 net)



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    First hand posted Quote
    11-27-2012 , 12:15 AM
    last time I challenged a player with a 2% 3bet I was up against aces...

    you can probably sleep well on this
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    11-27-2012 , 12:24 AM
    more stats would be good. the general advice is to never fold QQ, 4bet, get it in.

    if you believe he has AK/QQ+ only you still have good equity. when you call his 3bet you are looking for save flop: 545r looks save to me, AK missed, right?

    there is the chance villain is shoving AK over you. it might be TT/JJ/99 that also wanted a save flop like this. i wouldnt be surprised to see AK as some people cant give up

    why are you betting 20 big blinds on the flop and folding? you bet for information? for value? as a bluff? does any of these work?
    information betting is stupid, never do it.
    for value: if you bet the flop for value, then you have to call. as stated above his range still has AA/KK but sometimes also TT/JJ/AK and the chance of a complete bluff/straight draw etc
    as bluff: if you bet as bluff, do you think AA/KK is folding? flop bet: very bad!
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    11-27-2012 , 12:27 AM
    he really reps nothing as what would really c-r here that would not bet. he is prob bad given his line as this flop shove folds out all your air and your only calling with the top of your range, which here you folded.

    Looks like a badly played KK-AA scared to get out draw on the turn or river, id not be folding this at 50nl or higher
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    11-27-2012 , 12:35 AM
    Thanks guys,

    I agree my flop bet was bad...er, should I say upon reading your comments I can see how it's dumb...

    Yeah, in a way I was betting for info...and for value?

    I had him marked as a decent player...playing tight aggressive...

    I suppose I play it harder and if I run into the top of his range so be it? These are the kind of hands that play for stacks...

    4bet shove next time? I'm down.
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    11-27-2012 , 12:42 AM
    well there is this book called "easy game" and the first chapter is about reasons for betting. there are only 3 and as soon as you realize "why" you bet, it makes much more sense.

    3 reason:
    value / bluff / collecting dead money
    value: obviously get weaker hands to call.
    bluff: get stronger hands to fold. think if this is going to happen before you try it!
    dead money: if the pot is live, there is no dead money. collecting dead money usually means a cbet like Q9 on A87. its also a bluff. a live pot means when some passive 0.5AF guy starts check/raising you or betting relentlessly: there is no dead money and no way you can bluff
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    11-27-2012 , 12:46 AM
    i dont think your flop bet was bad, I would be here too
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    11-27-2012 , 12:57 AM
    yeah if its for value and we call that shove. but it was for information or a bluff or w/e and he folded :/
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