Hi Doug , i don't think the merging is necessary as we will see more hit n run .. For example someone who doesn't want to play deep and doubles up will just leave if his opponent reloads to 200bbs.

A KOTH system could be implemented just to see how it goes while the old system is used at the same time as an alternative. i like the add table button idea as well.

Also i like that A tables get priority . i don't like that someone sitting at an 'A' table can refuse action. If you want an 'A' table that means you earned it , either by playing the guy that was previously seating at it or by playing anyone that wants action from you or to take your table. So basically whoever sits at a table should give action to anyone that joins his table otherwise he should be forced to leave the table and not be able to just sit out, join after 1 min so he is not kicked out and sit out again.

cheers, Thanks again for doing this !

i don't understand the discussion of getting rid of deep or regular tables and combining them into one. this is NOT because i don't think it is a 'good' idea, but really because there is something i would imagine much more simple, and some people do prefer to only sit the deep tabels so as not to have to deal with even 35bb buy in players. why not just make it so the lobby only shows one table of you at that stake, regardless of if it is deep, regular, cap, etc? then you can offer everything to your hearts content and no one can 'game' it.

also, perhaps a software update to limit people to total tables shown in the lobby as before with the guidelines? maybe 4-6 hu tables total? i know FTP doesn't like to have these annoying policies for nosebleeds, so just apply all this software stuff to 5/10 and lower, or probably more like 10/20 and lower.

I love how some of you guys can't read/follow directions from the op

I definitely don't like the idea of making it where all tables are 200bb deep. I just don't see the reason to remove options from the players.

If lobby congestion is the problem, why not separate the different games in the lobby where they don't appear together?

In the classic view, add tabs for "Deep" and "PL" instead of just having "NL/PL" and "Limit". For the standard view, all it takes is adding a "Deep" tab under PL and NL.

This way, each player only gets one open table per tab, and there is no gaming of the system.

Excellent idea.

Agreed.

I disagree-- I already think there are way too many tabs and options to deal with in the ftp lobby. And can't you already filter them the way you guys are talking about w/the "advanced options"?

Yah don't think we need a bunch more tabs.

I have capped, shallow and all that other bs filtered out and never see it.

Fish are bad at poker but they know how to use comps. They can filter it too.

this seems like a good solution too

+1 sit whatever you want but show one. You can have it in the options which you want to take priority.

I also agree that I don't see the merit in combining the 100bb tables with the 200bb tables. Let them both exist. Let us filter them if we want.

Just randomize the names of the tables so that this fighting over table names ends.

I think you should give Barge Ass rakeback

Sigh, some of you guys should read the OP to get what Doug wants from this thread. It's embarrassing that many of you regulars are making derailing post.

As much as I want that to be put into place, I bet with what some of you wrote about KOTH, that lowered the chance of that ever being put into place. Sigh.

Anyways, reg/deep tables should be combined, but it might be best that we come with a compromise of a buy-in between 40-150bb. I feel that a great amount of players will be frighten and most likely leave after having reaching a 200bb stack when they see that their opponents are able to re-buy for 200bb. With 150bb, the chance of this happening will be lower and both parties will be satisfied.

No idea about the cap game state, but I say get rid of them so there's a higher chance they play HU 40-150bb! However, with HUPLH, the regulars are definitely gaming the system. This game should be totally gone. When was the last time you saw a HUPLH game running that consisted of a regular playing the same player on more than 2 tables? For me that's 0 times, and like 95% of the time that I played or witnessed this game has been a regular taking advantage of this type of game.

whats the point in having a limit to the tables anyway if the effective stacks are going to be whatever the shortstack is heads up? or is it just encouraging people to move to higher stakes to generate rake? i can understand limits to 6max and full ring games, but it doesn't make much sense to me heads up

i don't play cap games, but whats the point in getting rid of them if other people do, if we are banishing shorstackers from normal heads up games they need a place to go

can you please expand on this? how is this true?
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As much as I want that to be put into place, I bet with what some of you wrote about KOTH, that lowered the chance of that ever being put into place. Sigh.

combining tables - do not do it. i dont see the need.
plhu tables - how is it gaming the system? why should we get rid of this limit? not following

i think the most pressing issues are:

a tables - doug is looking into it
randomize button order - good start and again thanks doug
elumintae bumhunting/lobby clutter/increase hu action - KOTH + get rid of PTR. both will benefit FTP and majority of the player base.
<add more tables button> added to each HU table so when both players click on that another table is created automatically and they are seated at that table - easier to multi-table, more games running. everyone wants this.

if i missed something, please feel free to add. we should clean this up and respon to Doug's OP in an organized manner + add whatever suggestions we feel are realistic to it so that he can get back to us in next update and raise this to developers.

I'm just stating my opinion of what I am seeing. FTP seems to not want to do 5 big changes at a time, and as of right now, they look to want to do changes that will satisfy a majority of players than one that will rile up with controversy. Which is why I think it is pretty embarrassing making posts that is irrelevant to FTP right now.

This is all speculation, w/e.

Cap on buyin is obviously to accomadate fish and other players who dont want to play deeper then xBB, while their opponents do.

Another idea I had is what if the player that first sits at a table gets to choose the max and min buyin of the table inside of some constraints? It would probably be a programming nightmare, but I could see it really solving a ton of issues.

Don't combine the tables but I am obv for an increase for the min buy-in.

Btw I know it won't prolly happens except in my dreams but it should be the same rake whatever if you run it once or twice.

since some people didn't like the idea of having 'run it twice' auto selected, what about this. When i play goes all in a 'run it twice' button appears for the opponent in addition to the call or fold options, but maybe located somewhere more noticeable. If they choose to run it twice, the person who originally went all in is notified of the opponent's request to run it twice and then have the option to accept or decline.

+1, I don't think fish know what run it twice is and only 10% of them have it on.

honestly u need KOTH with a cap on the number of tables overall and the number of tables each player can sit at on each given limit.

e.g. at 25/50 only 10 hu tables exist. each player can only take 1 but if they refuse action they get kicked off. does that mean the 11th best player can never get a 25/50 table? if the top 10 r all online, then yes, so be it.

u may ask then what if 2 regs want to 4 table each other. i think the "open new table option" would be perfect for this. they can click it three times and voila they have extra special tables for themselves that close as soon as they finish.

party currently has KOTH but at 5/10 or lower has unlimited tables virtually. thus the situation is basically the same as here. at 1020 it has 3 hu tables only which is too far the other extreme imo.

Should we combine regular and deep HU tables? yes
If so, what should the buyin range be? 20bb-100bb? 20bb-200bb? 35bb-100bb? 35bb-200bb? Some other numbers (and why)? 35 to 100. in addition to gaming the system, as far as i can tell deep only becomes useful when a fish doubles thru the reg and the reg reloads, which isnt really much reason to keep them; how often do u see two regs start a match 200bb deep such that they actually want the deep tables?
Is anyone using Cap HU tables just to game the system or should we keep them since they're so differentno one uses them but keep them cos theyre so different?
Along the same line, are PLH HU tables used for anything other than gaming the current system? get rid of them; they just act as proxies for NLHE tables and i dont know of any PLHE pros who will bemoan this loss because they'll be forced to play NLHE all of sudden

Please keep the deep table or at least make the buyin up to 200bb. I play many multi-table match against reg at deep table. I for one would choose to play 98%+ of my opponent at deep table if I have the choice, and at least a few of my opponents does the same as they choose to play multiple tables against me at deep table.

You can't just get rid of deep HU tables, regs use them for grudge matches all the time. 100bb poker is just too standard to play a match on a deep level, you need the maneuverability of 200bb.

I play all three: cap, deep and regular NL tables. Why do you have to ask to get rid of these. Just don't play them if you don't like them.