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07-02-2009 , 02:35 AM
i have no history w either plr but the BB i kno is a v good reg running t 21/17 w a 8%3b. the btn seems like a ok plr an his ptr says hes a bit above break-even. thoughts plz
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UTG: $600.00
MP: $588.65
Hero (CO): $1215.00
BTN: $1191.00
SB: $863.75
BB: $1415.00

Pre Flop: ($9.00) Hero is CO with Q K
2 folds, Hero raises to $21, BTN calls $21, 1 fold, BB raises to $87, Hero calls $66, BTN calls $66

Flop: ($264.00) 3 K 7 (3 players)
BB requests TIME, BB bets $90, Hero calls $90, BTN calls $90

Turn: ($534.00) K (3 players)
BB requests TIME, BB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets $310, BB calls $310
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07-02-2009 , 02:41 AM
just out of curiosity, why did you check the turn?
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07-02-2009 , 02:42 AM
doesnt seem that interesting, id fold pretty fast
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07-02-2009 , 02:45 AM
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Originally Posted by NxtWrldChamp
just out of curiosity, why did you check the turn?
didnt think id get called by worse, not a draw-heavy board. i thought id be overreping my hand.
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07-02-2009 , 02:46 AM
I think I like the turn check, and as played I think I'd fold but its close
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07-02-2009 , 02:53 AM
i would like more info on the BTN here personally before i could make a decision since i would be more worried about him than the BB bc im not sure why a good reg would take this line with a hand better than KQ. Is the BB really c/cing AK here, which is the only hand he could have that beats us, assuming that hes not 3 betting 33/77 in this situation pf.

how loose is the BTN? is he 3 betting AK like 100% of the time pre? can he have KT/KJ here?
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07-02-2009 , 03:13 AM
I put BB on AA and Bu on KT-KQ, probably suited.
I'd take one off and see what the river brings.

BB can have a passively played AK thinking he won't get any value with a turn bet and Bu can have a flush draw and try to bet you both off the pot, BB cbet and then checked so he is weak and you have not put it any postflop aggression on either flop or the turn.

There is also a remote chance that especially the Bu has a set that he decided to play slow on this board. Well, BB can have a weak suited king that he decided to play way ahead-way behind against 2 opps.

The first set of hand(ranges) are more probable though.

Last edited by Erik W; 07-02-2009 at 03:19 AM.
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07-02-2009 , 03:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Erik W
I put BB on AA and Bu on KT-KQ, probably suited.
I'd take one off and see what the river brings.

BB can have a passively played AK thinking he won't get any value with a turn bet and Bu can have a flush draw and try to bet you both off the pot, BB cbet and then checked so he is weak and you have not put it any postflop aggression on either flop or the turn.

There is also a remote chance that especially the Bu has a set that he decided to play slow on this board. Well, BB can have a weak suited king that he decided to play way ahead-way behind against 2 opps.

The first set of hand(ranges) are more probable though.
BTN prolly rarely has a flush draw here and if he did float a hand like 56cc I think it's completely idiotic to bet it considering it's very possible he's going to get c/r or is drawing dead.

Also the chance BTN has a "slowplayed" set isn't very remote. If he had 33,77 it'd be consistent with his preflop play given stack sizes and his flop play is pretty standard considering a raise on this dry board after a cbet and call would almost certainly give away the strength of his hand.

Most likely OP is drawing to 3 outs and should probably fold. Checking turn also pretty standard and I think betting is actually a small mistake unless one of the villains is an idiot.
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07-02-2009 , 03:50 AM
Seems obvious that most of the time BB has AA and BTN has some sort of king, so can't believe any of you are suggesting folding. Worst case scenario is BTN has a weirdly played set, but we still have outs. I like the turn check too, btw.

I think it's more interesting whether we call/call or call/shove any river or something.
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07-02-2009 , 04:05 AM
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Originally Posted by NxtWrldChamp
i would like more info on the BTN here personally before i could make a decision since i would be more worried about him than the BB bc im not sure why a good reg would take this line with a hand better than KQ. Is the BB really c/cing AK here, which is the only hand he could have that beats us, assuming that hes not 3 betting 33/77 in this situation pf.

how loose is the BTN? is he 3 betting AK like 100% of the time pre? can he have KT/KJ here?
trust me at the time i wud have killed 4 sum too. but like i said all i know is hes a marginal winner at 1-2 an 2-4.
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07-02-2009 , 04:07 AM
77/33 nearly always.
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07-02-2009 , 04:10 AM
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Originally Posted by NxtWrldChamp
i would like more info on the BTN here personally before i could make a decision since i would be more worried about him than the BB bc im not sure why a good reg would take this line with a hand better than KQ. Is the BB really c/cing AK here, which is the only hand he could have that beats us, assuming that hes not 3 betting 33/77 in this situation pf.

how loose is the BTN? is he 3 betting AK like 100% of the time pre? can he have KT/KJ here?
trust me at the time i wud have killed 4 sum too. but like i said all i know is hes a marginal winner at 1-2 an 2-4.
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07-02-2009 , 04:14 AM
Perfect board to slowplay with a flopped set and position. Dont think either of them are on AK. So either KT-KQ. BB could be on a FD. I would call one street and re evaluate river. Tough spot. What happened in the hand?
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07-02-2009 , 04:23 AM
folding seems ridiculous/out of the question

even if we give the button a range of 33,77, KQ-KTs, KQo we have 36% equity and we are obviously getting the correct odds to call
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07-02-2009 , 04:27 AM
The more I think about it the more I think turn can't just be a fold. Calling turn to fold river seems pretty sick, but I think bu might bet worse kings on the turn, bb will call w/ a few non king pps + occasionally a worse king. River if there is a bet, it has to be a fold based on the action if you know both players to be the least bit of non-muppets
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07-02-2009 , 05:08 AM
my thougts at the time were the BB after 3betting pre an firing a cbet into 2 plrs on the driest flop in history and getting called by both wud be absolutely nuts to call any turn bet w less than KQ, esp a substantial 1 like BU made. so when he calls the btn is going to completely shut down w anything apt from 33 or 77. so basically im calling 310 to fold to any river bet and i def thought that there wud be action on the river + my rev implied odds are awful. everyone feel free to argue w me on any point just made. also just fwiw if im button my range for having played the hand thus far is literally only 77 and 33
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07-02-2009 , 07:45 AM
I like the turn check, now call.
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07-02-2009 , 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Jurrr
I like the turn check, now call.
and call river, if its say 2,4,5,6,8,9 orT and BB lead jams, or chk chk btn jams?
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07-02-2009 , 08:11 AM
Yeah, call most rivers.
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07-02-2009 , 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by oldjude
my thougts at the time were the BB after 3betting pre an firing a cbet into 2 plrs on the driest flop in history and getting called by both wud be absolutely nuts to call any turn bet w less than KQ, esp a substantial 1 like BU made. so when he calls the btn is going to completely shut down w anything apt from 33 or 77. so basically im calling 310 to fold to any river bet and i def thought that there wud be action on the river + my rev implied odds are awful. everyone feel free to argue w me on any point just made. also just fwiw if im button my range for having played the hand thus far is literally only 77 and 33
you win this thread imo. fold turn. if by some freakish miracle, the river gets checked through close the table and quit your session.
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07-02-2009 , 10:22 AM
u have trips imo
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07-02-2009 , 10:24 AM
but seriously, don't fold. BTN can be vbetting worse and is def bluffing sometimes
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07-02-2009 , 10:54 AM
BB has AA imo as for the BTN AK would be my biggest worry not 33/77 , with BB calling the 310 id be more than sure he was on AA. Call see what the river brings and probs call any bet on river
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07-02-2009 , 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by stranbougie
BB has AA imo as for the BTN AK would be my biggest worry not 33/77 , with BB calling the 310 id be more than sure he was on AA. Call see what the river brings and probs call any bet on river
no offense sir but i don't think you should be posting advice in msnl threads.
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07-02-2009 , 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Tex_Perkins
but seriously, don't fold. BTN can be vbetting worse and is def bluffing sometimes
how is the btn bluffing? that would mean he had to overcall a 3bettors cbet into 2 players AND a call, just to hope they both gave up and he could take it away on the turn, don't be ridiculous.
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