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10-12-2018 , 10:04 PM

DooDooPoker

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Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD Poker Tracking Software

NL Holdem $0.25(BB)
HERO ($25) [VPIP: 27.9% | PFR: 21.7% | AGG: 30.7% | 3-Bet: 10.4% | Hands: 65550]
CO ($31.64) [VPIP: 22.9% | PFR: 16.5% | AGG: 39.6% | 3-Bet: 6.3% | Hands: 540]
BTN ($34.23) [VPIP: 27.3% | PFR: 23.2% | AGG: 39.2% | 3-Bet: 9% | Hands: 372]
SB ($25) [VPIP: 26.6% | PFR: 20.2% | AGG: 27.1% | 3-Bet: 6.9% | Hands: 4899]
BB ($30.09) [VPIP: 21.6% | PFR: 13.4% | AGG: 30.9% | 3-Bet: 8% | Hands: 272]
UTG ($56.60) [VPIP: 24.7% | PFR: 18.3% | AGG: 35.2% | 3-Bet: 9.2% | Hands: 3675]

Dealt to Hero: T

UTG Folds, HERO Raises To $0.55, CO Folds, BTN Folds, SB Calls $0.45, BB Raises To $2.20, HERO Calls $1.65, SB Calls $1.65

Hero SPR on Flop: [3.45 effective]
Flop ($6.60): 8

SB Checks, BB Bets $3.80 (Rem. Stack: 24.09), HERO Calls $3.80 (Rem. Stack: 19.00), SB Calls $3.80 (Rem. Stack: 19.00)

Turn ($18.00): 8

SB Checks, BB Checks, HERO Checks

River ($18.00): 8

SB Checks, BB Bets $6 (Rem. Stack: 18.09), HERO Raises To $19 (allin),

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10-12-2018 , 10:11 PM

MMSS

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Betting into two people I think this is bad. I fell like Jx calls and flushes call and other good stuff. I do think the non-HU does factor in but I'm ass in these spots and will play far too passive.

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10-12-2018 , 10:14 PM

Dr_Doctr

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Is that your standard PF bet size?

I'd muck it PF to the BB 3-bet. I think the river shove is FPS. Would help if you gave thought process.

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10-12-2018 , 10:16 PM

MMSS

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Originally Posted by Dr_Doctr

Would help if you gave thought process.

I do always think this about your threads too but at the same time I think I tend to ask too much in my thread and as a result I don't get answers. Depends what you want I suppose.

I also agree that I fold KTs here against a squeeze. Dominated by too much both in terms of pairs and big hands. SB hardly seems dreadful to compensate.

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10-12-2018 , 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by MMSS

Betting into two people I think this is bad. I fell like Jx calls and flushes call and other good stuff. I do think the non-HU does factor in but I'm ass in these spots and will play far too passive.

I block Jx pretty good though and he doesn't have many flushes here I don't think. AKdd, AQdd, ATdd all bet turn I think and his line pretty weird. Not too worried about SB as I think he raises sets multiway here.

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10-12-2018 , 10:21 PM

Dr_Doctr

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Yeah I guess it also depends on the type of thread. If you're looking for advice for a point in a hand that's fair enough to just give the hand, but if someone posts a superficially strange bluff or line I like to hear the rationale. Just preferences.

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10-13-2018 , 08:06 AM

ArtyMcFly

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The flop call looks good. Nothing else (apart from the pre-flop open) makes sense to me. :/

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10-13-2018 , 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ArtyMcFly

The flop call looks good. Nothing else (apart from the pre-flop open) makes sense to me. :/

We’re going to need some bluffs in these spots I think. Can’t think of a better combo that doesn’t get there on the river.

Do you agree with the 3bet call preflop or do you think that’s a fold?

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10-13-2018 , 12:49 PM

Haizemberg93

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Pre is close
flop should be fold
I m not sure what are we represent otr after turn check

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10-13-2018 , 01:21 PM

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Dr_Doctr

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We represent what we have pretty well imo.

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10-13-2018 , 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Haizemberg93

Pre is close
flop should be fold
I m not sure what are we represent otr after turn check

You don’t think a flop fold a little nitty?

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10-13-2018 , 02:37 PM

#12

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Originally Posted by Dr_Doctr

We represent what we have pretty well imo.

Don’t you think A

- A

plays like this?

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10-13-2018 , 02:45 PM

#13

Haizemberg93

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Well our outs are not clean at all (except Qh and Qc) and its hard to bluff on later streets given its MW pot with one SPR ott.

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10-13-2018 , 02:50 PM

#14

FREEOJ

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its a mw pot you dont 'need' bluffs

fold preflop/flop

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10-13-2018 , 03:27 PM

#15

Dr_Doctr

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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker

Don’t you think A

- A

plays like this?

Yes, that's reasonable. I still think your perceived range is too weak to be profitable given the action though. Price on a call is too good in a 3-bet pot and I think any decent J calls. Jmo.

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10-13-2018 , 03:37 PM

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You guys could be right, I think it's really hard to quantify these situations without some MW Solver. Here are results:

Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD Poker Tracking Software

NL Holdem $0.25(BB)
HERO ($25) [VPIP: 27.9% | PFR: 21.6% | AGG: 30.7% | 3-Bet: 10.4% | Hands: 66361]
CO ($31.64) [VPIP: 22.5% | PFR: 15.7% | AGG: 39.1% | 3-Bet: 6% | Hands: 585]
BTN ($34.23) [VPIP: 27.6% | PFR: 23.1% | AGG: 38.3% | 3-Bet: 7.2% | Hands: 739]
SB ($25) [VPIP: 26.5% | PFR: 20.1% | AGG: 26.9% | 3-Bet: 6.9% | Hands: 4937]
BB ($30.09) [VPIP: 20.9% | PFR: 13.5% | AGG: 35.1% | 3-Bet: 7.1% | Hands: 318]
UTG ($56.60) [VPIP: 24.8% | PFR: 18.4% | AGG: 35.3% | 3-Bet: 9.4% | Hands: 3735]

Dealt to Hero: T

UTG Folds, HERO Raises To $0.55, CO Folds, BTN Folds, SB Calls $0.45, BB Raises To $2.20, HERO Calls $1.65, SB Calls $1.65

Hero SPR on Flop: [3.45 effective]
Flop ($6.60): 8

SB Checks, BB Bets $3.80 (Rem. Stack: 24.09), HERO Calls $3.80 (Rem. Stack: 19.00), SB Calls $3.80 (Rem. Stack: 19.00)

Turn ($18.00): 8

SB Checks, BB Checks, HERO Checks

River ($18.00): 8

SB Checks, BB Bets $6 (Rem. Stack: 18.09), HERO Raises To $19 (allin), SB Folds, BB Folds

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10-13-2018 , 04:41 PM

#17

amazin lazer

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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker

UTG Folds, HERO Raises To $0.55, CO Folds, BTN Folds, SB Calls $0.45, BB Raises To $2.20, HERO Calls $1.65, SB Calls $1.65

Hero SPR on Flop: [3.45 effective]
Flop ($6.60): 8

SB Checks, BB Bets $3.80 (Rem. Stack: 24.09), HERO Calls $3.80 (Rem. Stack: 19.00), SB Calls $3.80 (Rem. Stack: 19.00)

Turn ($18.00): 8

SB Checks, BB Checks, HERO Checks

River ($18.00): 8

SB Checks, BB Bets $6 (Rem. Stack: 18.09), HERO Raises To $19 (allin), SB Folds, BB Folds

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lol this is not an argument for or against the play, but I appreciate if you are low level trolling

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10-13-2018 , 05:11 PM

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WorldzMine

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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker

We’re going to need some bluffs in these spots I think.

No, not if you should never be in the spot because it's an easy fold pre (to the 3bet). Also, no because people on WPN don't fold anything almost ever, so almost never have the required FE too bluff much.

If I had to guess the average WTSD is ~31% which is just lol stationary.

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10-13-2018 , 08:41 PM

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Saysonz1

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I suspect you were against two busted draws which makes it a pretty good bluff a lot of the time as I think BB bets bigger when he is fullhouse and SB will likely go for value>x/r

I would call down here very light because I only feel you raise here with a full house and all full house should either raise flop or bet turn (JJ, 88, 99, 55 J8/9).

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10-13-2018 , 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Saysonz1

Nut flushes should ship i think to put Jx and lower flushes in a tought spot.

BB/SB never have sets here because of turn action so we can vbet thinner on river.

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10-13-2018 , 09:44 PM

#21

Saysonz1

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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker

Nut flushes should ship i think to put Jx and lower flushes in a tought spot.

BB/SB never have sets here because of turn action so we can vbet thinner on river.

Yep that's why I said it is a good bluff, your likely against two busted flushes or weak hands as they would always bet/raise their sets/2pair on the flop/river

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10-13-2018 , 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Saysonz1

Yep that's why I said it is a good bluff, your likely against two busted flushes or weak hands as they would always bet/raise their sets/2pair on the flop/river

Front door flush got there and no one bet the turn (back door).

These DooDoo threads are lowering the forum IQ.

Hand is spew.

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10-14-2018 , 03:25 AM

#23

Saysonz1

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Originally Posted by robert_utk

Front door flush got there and no one bet the turn (back door).

These DooDoo threads are lowering the forum IQ.

Hand is spew.

You think people aren't raising flop or betting turn/river with front door flush draw/flushes?

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10-14-2018 , 10:09 AM

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robert_utk

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Originally Posted by Saysonz1

You think people aren't raising flop or betting turn/river with front door flush draw/flushes?

There are no busted flushes. That is the point.

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